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Post by antares on Mar 6, 2022 11:53:21 GMT -6
I have been researching Tung Oil, and Wikipedia has contributed as usual. I found another website with an obvious vested interest in the product and from reading that it appears to me that "Tung Oil" varies from products that provide a similar result to pure Tung Oil to the pure product alone. It immediately becomes obvious that you need some way to discern the difference. Trade names alone do not provide the ability to ensure you have the right product when trying to emulate Eddie's work. Moreover, "McGuires" being the product that should tick all the boxes doesn't afford the confidence that anyone could reasonably expect to duplicate Eddie's obvious command over this black art, nor whether it is "Pure Tung Oil" or some industry equivalent. McGuires Tung Oil Finish is only available over here with the ubiquitous stratospheric logistics overhead burden. You think postal charges are expensive over in the The USA? try crossing The Pond. In fairness, that works both ways to some extent. Whatever the considerations, Eddie's "Tung Oil" finishes are not to be underestimated (other than the desire for sunburst finishes of course). Put simply, there are lots of so-called "Tung Oil" products over here at a far less wallet hemorrhaging cost than importing, but what if you pick one that is at variance with McGuires? Given that the success of this technique is to one extent or another heavily reliant upon overcoming the requirement for the product to "sink into the grain", I'm at least a bit cautious regarding blathering it onto a valued instrument. Sigh.
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Post by dnic on Mar 6, 2022 14:16:56 GMT -6
Eddie -- That finish really turned out great. Question: How long does it take to completely dry and lose its distinctive smell? John I was wondering the same thing. Or at least does this stuff smell as bad as Tru-oil? I opened up a can at work and I could not smell anything at all. We're talking Tung oil here. But my nose is not terribly sensitive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 8:47:09 GMT -6
Eddie -- That finish really turned out great. Question: How long does it take to completely dry and lose its distinctive smell? John John, In 24 hours you can sand and buff the Tung Oil Finish.
The smell to me is not an over whelming smell like on so many other products. Most of the smell is gone with in 24 hours from the last application. All gone by a week or less, depending on how dry the air is. In AZ the smell would be all gone in a few days. Here In AL a little longer because of the humidity.
I was looking at this project yesterday. It has no smell and I would say it is dry or cured all the way. One thing I keep on forgetting to say about this finish is that it does have an amber tint to it. It does age pretty cool. If you like that vintage look of old guitars that is. Which I do.
Something to keep in mind when using this for a finish is that it will darken the wood. So if anyone is not into the "vintage" look it may not be the finish for them. But I do like it better than lacquers. Like I said in the videos, I have guitars that getting to be 15 to 20 years old and the finish looks, as good if not better (because of age) than the day I put the finish on.
I have never had to reapply it or do anything but keep the guitars clean. I have used most of them on stage and my 335 I used a lot as well as my neck through LP (maple and cherry" Never had an issue from them. I built two other custom guitars for customers, over 10 years now, and they too are played a lot on stages and have been used in recordings. The Tung Oil Finish's still look Great! Not a scratch on them and still look great!
I have not experienced any of the claims made in some of the videos I have seen on YT and FB. So to me I think this product has gotten a bad rap from those that really don't know how to use it. I don't know why It works for me, all I know it does.
I have used this in my house more then one time. LOL! It does smell for a night, but after that it's pretty much gone. Not like lacquer. I use to spray Lacquer and bring it into the house only to have to put up with the smell for well over a week. By then I think we got use to the smell. LOL!
Same can be said about all of the other finishes I have used over the years. Again please understand that I am Talking abut the Minwax Tung Oil Finish, and not true, "Tung Oil" Two different things.
Think I said it before, that I would not use real Tung oil on a guitar unless one is going to apply something else over it to seal it off. If you do then you may have well used the product I used.
Well, as you all can see I am a huge fan of the stuff. It's easy to use, dose not take all that long to get a nice finish, it is super forgiving, Like fixing a sand through. Like on the edges when doing the color sanding. To me it is the easiest stuff to work with I have found to date. I have used it on so many guitars now and it has never let me down. I can't say that about other products.
All I can say to anyone is try it out on something before using it on your project. Get use to using it. Apply in 3s. Do three in one day let it rest over night apply 3 more. And so on. The more you use it the more you will find you can do with it. Sometime in the future I am going to a video of how I get the mat finish. So easy to do.
Oh, I found I like the Minwax past wax as well. It does take a little more afford to apply it but WOW! Not only did it really make the Tung oil finish pop, it puts a hard shine on it. The finish is slick as can be on the build. You may want to rethink waxes as well. Again try it out before using.
I hope this was a help. If anyone is going to try it out and need help in using it or you have anymore questions please let me know. We can always hook up with Face Time or something. You all know I like to help out where I can.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 9:59:12 GMT -6
I decided once again to put this build on hold. We are trying to pack up for a move for the better. I may do a short video about the move. I have not made up my mind about that.
Things are going pretty good. Sold some things, and are going to be selling some more things off. Trying not to fill the moving truck up with a bunch of stuff.
But we are excited about the move and new (old) way of life. I have always been a country boy at heart. It will be nice to have big boy shop! But at the same time I will get to BBQ and grow a garden again. We love fresh Veggies. Plus a lot of other things that county living has to offer.
I will miss being close to all my favorite places. But I feel we will be gaining so much more. The packing is coming along. We have the rest of this month and almost a whole month next month to get it all packed up. My guitar room and my little shop will take most of the time to get packed up. I cannot believe how much stuff I have collected in two years. WOW!
I wanted to give you all an update on what is going on.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 7:17:19 GMT -6
Been a while since I posted about this build.
As some of you know Eagle Blues custom guitars has moved. We are now in a bigger shop and it is still going through the set processes. I am almost there! Spend a whole day of doing nothing but organizing and getting rid of empty boxes. Wow! That was a lot of work.
I got hold of some nice power strips. They where once used for computer servers. They are about 4' long and each plug in has an LED light that lets you know if on of the plug in's quit working or if you are grounded. Pretty cool. I got hold of 3 strips and the have a lot of plug in's nicely spaced apart. Pretty cool! I'll get some pictures of them. One of them I was able to use on the back side of my work bench the other two I put on one wall. So nice not to have to have extension cords running all over the place.
I now have pretty much everything cleaned up and my table tops cleaned off. I only have a few more things to do and I will be able to get back to work on this build.
In our new place we have been super busy. We are all the way unpacked, put in 2 gardens, started work on a chicken coop and got the shop almost ready. Plus a lot of other things like going to doctors and going to the DMV. All in less than 4 weeks. Not to bad for a couple of old people. LOL! Yep I have been in a lot of pain. But thank goodness I have pain pills. There are days when I still have to take time off of what we are doing and do nothing but heal up. But I am so happy! I feel like a different person. My wife and I love being here in our new place.
I might do one more video showing the shop all set up before I do any work in it as far as guitars go. It is still hard for me to believe I have a super nice place to live and to have a really cool place for a shop.
Maybe some day you all can come by for a visit. We have a nice guest room. If we end up buying this place at some point we will then have a guest house for people to stay in. Right now the land lord uses it for a get away. LOL!
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Post by dnic on May 10, 2022 7:27:41 GMT -6
Sounds like you two are making great progress. Nothing worse than moving IMHO. Looking forward to seeing the shop set up and very happy for you getting into a really great living situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 11:24:58 GMT -6
We are now almost done with the chicken coop. It has taken me longer than expected to build the thing. I had to order some things for it, and should be here today. At least most of it.
By next week, I should be back on track on this build. I have all the stuff done that the wife was wanting me to do, and the coop will also be done. The shop is all set up for me to work in. Boy, I love it here!
I now have a few more followers on my YouTube channel. I even got some responses from them... WOW! Seems a lot of interest on the McGuires tung oil finish. I know in the past I have encountered some flack from people, but the proof in my work.
I feel that most if not all products will work if one will take the time and learn to use it. For me, It has been years of experience in using the product that helps in the results that I get. I just watched a new video where a guy uses it like it says on the can. He used two coats and got a satin look. To me, it was like he gave up on the finish and left it how it came out. It looks good! But he even says in the video there were some spots that didn't come out right. This is because he did not understand how to use the product. I told him to go check out my videos. Hop he did.
If I didn't this product was no good, I would say so. I have stopped using a lot of products after I learned how to use McGuires tung oil finish. It is my go-to finish. Too bad, more people can't seem to learn how good it really is. OH, well, their loss.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 12:01:10 GMT -6
I have been researching Tung Oil, and Wikipedia has contributed as usual. I found another website with an obvious vested interest in the product and from reading that it appears to me that "Tung Oil" varies from products that provide a similar result to pure Tung Oil to the pure product alone. It immediately becomes obvious that you need some way to discern the difference. Trade names alone do not provide the ability to ensure you have the right product when trying to emulate Eddie's work. Moreover, "McGuires" being the product that should tick all the boxes doesn't afford the confidence that anyone could reasonably expect to duplicate Eddie's obvious command over this black art, nor whether it is "Pure Tung Oil" or some industry equivalent. McGuires Tung Oil Finish is only available over here with the ubiquitous stratospheric logistics overhead burden. You think postal charges are expensive over in the The USA? try crossing The Pond. In fairness, that works both ways to some extent. Whatever the considerations, Eddie's "Tung Oil" finishes are not to be underestimated (other than the desire for sunburst finishes of course). Put simply, there are lots of so-called "Tung Oil" products over here at a far less wallet hemorrhaging cost than importing, but what if you pick one that is at variance with McGuires? Given that the success of this technique is to one extent or another heavily reliant upon overcoming the requirement for the product to "sink into the grain", I'm at least a bit cautious regarding blathering it onto a valued instrument. Sigh. でつ e&oe ...I have found that most finishes that are out there do work out. The problem in it is no one wants to take the time in how to use it. My way I use the product that I use is not the way the can says to use it. If you use like the can says, you will make a mess and be frustrated in the way things work out. The McGuires Tung oil finish does etch into the wood. When done, it is a super hard finish. I think it's better than lacquer.
I have done sun burst Finishes and have also applied tung oil finish over other dies, stains, and paint with some great results. I have even used MG Tung oil for repairs on acoustic guitars. It has a good blending to cover up scratches and in most cases you can even tell where I made the repair and I didn't need to use lacquers, poly or anything else.
I did a huge fix in an old acoustic guitar that someone had since the 70s. It had a lot of wood loss around the sound hole and by the fret board from where he hits the guitar with his pick. I use CA glue for the filling and MG Tung oil for the finish. When I was done with that guitar, it looked like new again. I did that guitar before I left AZ. I talked to the guy that owns it. He told me it still looks as good as the day I give him back the guitar. That has been like 5 years now.
For me, I would not hesitate to use this product on any guitar out there. Again, I think this product has been misunderstood by many. Even some so-called experts.
But I don't care what anyone uses or if anyone believes me or not. I know how well it works out for me. But please try out products out on other things before you use it on a project. I see so many jumps right in and use products without trying thing out on scrap wood. 95 percent of them, people mess up and then blame the product. When all along it was their wrong doing.
At some point, (if working with guitars)One does have to dive into things to figure out how it all works. I have to say, doing the finish on a guitar has been frustrating to me. I have used all kinds of finishes. The MGT finish for me has been the best. It's easy to use, and I can get any kind of finish I want. I also can get a lot of finishes out of one can. You can't do that with spray cans. LOL!
I would say try some things out. Try out other products that are near to where you are at. You never know what you might come up with.
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Post by antares on May 19, 2022 12:25:16 GMT -6
Valuable advice Eddie. I wanted to use Tung oil on my ukulele, but although it looks like a bare finish, I really suspect it has a vapour thin dust coat of lacquer. This potentially means a strip first, and the thing about stripping is making absolutely certain it's 100% because any sneaky residual will be flagged up by the Tung oil for sure. At least such a meagre token coat of finish ought to be easy to remove.
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Post by dnic on May 19, 2022 18:17:31 GMT -6
Valuable advice Eddie. I wanted to use Tung oil on my ukulele, but although it looks like a bare finish, I really suspect it has a vapour thin dust coat of lacquer. This potentially means a strip first, and the thing about stripping is making absolutely certain it's 100% because any sneaky residual will be flagged up by the Tung oil for sure. At least such a meagre token coat of finish ought to be easy to remove. でつ e&oe ...Unless you "need" the tung oil soak into the uke Steve you could use a barrier coat of shellac between the existing finish (lacquer. The tung oil will build on top of that.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 5:24:59 GMT -6
Here is the link to the guitar I did. I put the MTF on it over the finishes that is on the guitar. No problems with it so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 8:53:15 GMT -6
I know it's been a while since I have posted about this build.
I have been super busy getting things done around our new place. Putting the finishing touches on the chicken coop. Got the shop all set up. The gardens are in and producing. Been keeping up with all the yard work. It's been a lot in the last two months. But well on the way to being able to relax and enjoy. I'll soon be back on the Eagle Blues guitar. Hope to be back on it sometime this week. I hope all is well with everyone.EB
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Post by antares on Jun 9, 2022 12:08:52 GMT -6
Understood Eddie. At least you get on with things and get somewhere. I tend to let "stuff" stack up somewhat. In your own time Sir.
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Post by dnic on Jun 9, 2022 18:04:45 GMT -6
Looking forward to seeing what you've done in the shop and around the house! YEAH!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 7:21:24 GMT -6
OK... So, I or should I say we moved my work bench into the house into the guitar room. Now I can start on putting the Eagle Blues guitar build together. I need to do only a few things before I can get started. But being in the house will be a lot better than trying to work in 100 degree temps and 75 to 80% humidity.
So in the next day or two I should be able to get back onto the project or build.
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