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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 8:58:06 GMT -6
Here is a question for you all... Should I cut the leather where the bridge is going to be mounted. Or should I put the bridge on top of the leather? this will be a string through. Right now the bridge is at the right height on top of the leather. If I cut the leather I would have to make a shim for the bridge to get it to the right height.
Not here is the thing... Will the leather muffle the sound? Hum... After seeing a video I posted I would have to say no. So, I am interested in knowing what you all think. EBCG
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Post by antares on Feb 4, 2022 9:02:11 GMT -6
Eddie I'm going to stick my neck out and say that you must cut away the leather and shim up if required.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 10:26:12 GMT -6
This is me thinking... If I cut the leather. I could cut the heal of the neck down to lower the neck some. That way I would not have to make a shim for the bridge. I'll need to go do some figuring on that.
I wonder how hard it will be to remove the leather after I cut it. Hum... I may screw the bridge on first then cut the leather. That leather is 3/16th of an inch thick. Not that easy to cut. Hum... Again me thinking out loud... LOL! EBCG
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Post by dnic on Feb 4, 2022 11:52:23 GMT -6
Eddie -- That is a really unique, great-looking guitar and thanks for sharing it. Looking forward to seeing it finished up! John John, I know you are thinking the same as me. "Tone leather" can't wait!
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Post by dnic on Feb 4, 2022 12:00:38 GMT -6
Here is a question for you all... Should I cut the leather where the bridge is going to be mounted. Or should I put the bridge on top of the leather? this will be a string through. Right now the bridge is at the right height on top of the leather. If I cut the leather I would have to make a shim for the bridge to get it to the right height.
Not here is the thing... Will the leather muffle the sound? Hum... After seeing a video I posted I would have to say no. So, I am interested in knowing what you all think. EBCG
I'd say mount it on top of the leather. I do not think the sound will suffer at all. Remember what we have been learning and maybe even reluctantly having to accept about what affects tone. Besides what's the worst case scenario? You go back later and remove the leather and shim at that point? I can think of worse or less solid bridge mounts with one word, TREM.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 12:50:22 GMT -6
Here is a question for you all... Should I cut the leather where the bridge is going to be mounted. Or should I put the bridge on top of the leather? this will be a string through. Right now the bridge is at the right height on top of the leather. If I cut the leather I would have to make a shim for the bridge to get it to the right height.
Not here is the thing... Will the leather muffle the sound? Hum... After seeing a video I posted I would have to say no. So, I am interested in knowing what you all think. EBCG
I'd say mount it on top of the leather. I do not think the sound will suffer at all. Remember what we have been learning and maybe even reluctantly having to accept about what affects tone. Besides what's the worst case scenario? You go back later and remove the leather and shim at that point? I can think of worse or less solid bridge mounts with one word, TREM. I think this is what I will do. My son said the same thing.
I did go in earlier and took a longer look at it. So, I do think I am going this way for now. At least it will be a good test to see how it will sound.
I have a few guitars without any treble pot on them. I was in my room a few minutes ago playing one of guitars with P90s and tone controls. WOW! I love the sound of that guitar.
As soon as the weather clears up, I am going to mount the neck and go for it. I need to do some clean up around the neck pocket then glues in the neck. It's back down to the Low 50 into the 40s again for the next couple of days. So it will be a while. Unless I bundle up so I can do some cutting/sawing. HUm... no I think I'll stay inside and try and find something to do, like Play more Guitar! EBCG
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Post by antares on Feb 4, 2022 15:40:56 GMT -6
I wasn't thinking about the *tone* so much, more that under constant string tension of what? 140-160 pounds, the leather may compress over time allowing the bridge to tilt forward a fraction? It may sound silly but you could make suitably sized round holes in the leather easily enough, and put in 3/16 thick washers which would be hidden by the bridge?
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Post by dnic on Feb 4, 2022 16:12:51 GMT -6
I wasn't thinking about the *tone* so much, more that under constant string tension of what? 140-160 pounds, the leather may compress over time allowing the bridge to tilt forward a fraction? It may sound silly but you could make suitably sized round holes in the leather easily enough, and put in 3/16 thick washers which would be hidden by the bridge? でつ e&oe ...I had a thought along those lines but I thought it might be confusing. I was thinking, put flat head screws close to all the bridge screw locations. But of course not interfering with those screws. Bringing their finished hight too flush with or just under the leather top. This should prevent overloading or crushing the leather and also provide vibration transfer to the body wood. (if that's a thing) Can you tell I'm more solidly in the pickups are everything camp since the Jim Lill video?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 17:07:50 GMT -6
Now there is something I didn't think of. I did think about the leather shrinking over time. But what the two of you suggested is what I needed to hear. Thanks so much for your input!
EBCG
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 16:02:59 GMT -6
Alright, got the neck set in. Yep! I put on my jacket and went outside and trimmed up the neck pocket where I needed it to be. Brought the guitar into the house and glued the neck in.
Gluing in the neck is another nerve racking thing for me to do. I measure everything out over and over again, to make sure things are in place. It all looks good. But once the clamps are in place it's really hard to know if everything is where it was during the dry test. Yes I dry test everything first.
I did have to do some fine tuning of the heal by doing a little more sanding where the heal meets up by the neck pickup. But it looks like everything is where I need it to be. Wont know the real outcome until the clamps come off. This is one reason I don't locate the bridge on until the neck is place.
So, the next thing up will be carving the heal and body together. Once that is done then I'll start on the bindings. I hope to get that far Monday or Tuesday. Then it be onto the finish on the neck and body.
EBCG
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Post by dnic on Feb 5, 2022 17:34:38 GMT -6
Love getting the neck and body together. It seems like most builders get very happy when the two are joined. Finally after all the hard work, the pay off. The next payoff is of course after stinging it up and test play it.
More on point Eddie, for me and neck sets. I think most builders try and make the pockets too tight. So they can show off and lift the guitar up with a dry neck fit. But that tight of neck joint leaves no room for the glue to squeeze out. You get a puddle of glue hydraulicing off the bottom of the pocket and you've got alignment issues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 17:46:19 GMT -6
Love getting the neck and body together. It seems like most builders get very happy when the two are joined. Finally after all the hard work, the pay off. The next payoff is of course after stinging it up and test play it. More on point Eddie, for me and neck sets. I think most builders try and make the pockets too tight. So they can show off and lift the guitar up with a dry neck fit. But that tight of neck joint leaves no room for the glue to squeeze out. You get a puddle of glue hydraulicing off the bottom of the pocket and you've got alignment issues. I have seen a lot of videos of that same thing. I have learned over the year is not to make them to tight. I remember one that though me that. I made the neck joint tight. To tight. I went to put he glue on and I could not even get the neck into the body. LOL! I ended up wiping off the glue and routing out the pocket bigger. Now I go no where near that tight. This one was on the loose side. But not to loose. It was sung enough that then neck would stay in the body, but a lite tap and it would fall right out.
This is what was nice with this glue up. I was able to move it around a little to make it line up where I needed it to be. At least that is what I hope for. HA! I'll know more in the morning after I take off the clamps. But it should be fine.
EBCG
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Post by antares on Feb 5, 2022 19:51:39 GMT -6
That's spot on Dane. It's why we had "bond lines" (tiny 0.005" raised lines running right along the edge member channel extrusions, and "Vee-shaped" fluted machining- again 005" deep inside the capping legs) This was to maintain a controlled "5 thou" film of adhesive between mating surfaces. It's also the reason why we had to use a fine mesh scrim cloth between wide area mating faces like cover plates and the panels to which they were bonded.
When I first worked at that place in the mid 1980s, I once said to my team leader "I'll stick that ***** on with glue OK?" and he replied "No, here we bond with adhesives!"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 15:36:27 GMT -6
OK...
Neck is glued in and the clamps are off.
Back before any carving.
The start of the carving.
This is where I stopped for the day. I worked on it maybe two hours today. Got to hurting real bad so I quit for the day. I'll try and do some more tomorrow.
I am a little off set today because the carve is not going the way I wanted it to. But like always, I'll deal with it. Again this guitar is super heavy. It will be a sit down and play kind of guitar for me. Think I am going to cut up the rest of the wood I made this body out of into fret boards. Or make a couple of necks out of it. I will not be using anymore of it for a guitar body.
Once I get this part done, then I can move to the bindings. I did check the alignment of the bridge. On the dry test everything looks good. Everything right where it is supposed to be. But I think I am going to wait until I get the bindings on before I do the bridge.
EBCG
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Post by dnic on Feb 6, 2022 16:41:35 GMT -6
looking gooder Eddie!
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