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Post by antares on Sept 28, 2023 13:09:25 GMT -6
Well, I've yet to see an unshielded hook up lead between a guitar and an amplifier, and I can't think of a reason not to extend that screen to the guitar itself. Theoretically, a twisted pair should reject interference even with the typically encountered unbalanced TS connectors at each end. Any takers for a bell wire guitar cord (or twisted pair for that matter?) Nope? I wonder why?
If I lived out in the boonies and far away from neighbours with their plethora of switched mode wall warts and a mantle of other RF noise, would I still shield a guitar? Well, yes I would, but I don't live in such a place so it's a hypothetical question. I have several unscreened guitars and I don't really notice any problems with them. Screening will only help with the electrically induced noise anyway, and is worthless for interference with predominantly magnetic components. Screening doesn't do anything much for mains hum. Even so, I would still screen a solid body with routed cavities.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 29, 2023 9:16:13 GMT -6
This looks like a lot of fun! Here is one for ya! If you buy an SRV Start, you will sound like SRV! LOL! I heard a GC sales person use that on someone buying a guitar. WOW!
Most of the salespeople who rotate through GC are not trained salespeople and are part-time. That is why you find a few of them with the bulk of the sales. You will also find drummers working guitars and acoustic players working the tech side just due to scheduling. It got worse during COVID when the stores got down to what can only be called a "skeleton crew". Concerning sounding like SRV, I recommend you check out this article and the associated sound file. guitarattack.com/opinion/tone.htmJohn
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 29, 2023 9:18:41 GMT -6
Well, I've yet to see an unshielded hook up lead between a guitar and an amplifier, and I can't think of a reason not to extend that screen to the guitar itself. Theoretically, a twisted pair should reject interference even with the typically encountered unbalanced TS connectors at each end. Any takers for a bell wire guitar cord (or twisted pair for that matter?) Nope? I wonder why? If I lived out in the boonies and far away from neighbours with their plethora of switched mode wall warts and a mantle of other RF noise, would I still shield a guitar? Well, yes I would, but I don't live in such a place so it's a hypothetical question. I have several unscreened guitars and I don't really notice any problems with them. Screening will only help with the electrically induced noise anyway, and is worthless for interference with predominantly magnetic components. Screening doesn't do anything much for mains hum. Even so, I would still screen a solid body with routed cavities. でつ e&oe ...I do like shielding paint on the cavities with a good ground (earth). I think it does help, particularly in electrically noisy venues. Those venues are why so many players are using Boss Katanas instead of vintage tube amps! John
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 29, 2023 9:20:22 GMT -6
I think that John hit the nail on the head when he said something about cleaning the cable jack and the input/output jack on the guitar. I have found that to be true as well. I had a guitar that was giving me fits in not having a good connection. Likewise, I cleaned the jack on the guitar and the problem went away. On a related note, there was a 1/4" fiber rod on the market (some years ago) used specifically for inserting into a jack socket for cleaning. I never got any but it seamed like a great idea. Was it StewMac? I think it was StewMac. I use a bore brush for a .38 pistol. Works great. John
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 9:52:34 GMT -6
This looks like a lot of fun! Here is one for ya! If you buy an SRV Start, you will sound like SRV! LOL! I heard a GC sales person use that on someone buying a guitar. WOW!
Most of the salespeople who rotate through GC are not trained salespeople and are part-time. That is why you find a few of them with the bulk of the sales. You will also find drummers working guitars and acoustic players working the tech side just due to scheduling. It got worse during COVID when the stores got down to what can only be called a "skeleton crew". Concerning sounding like SRV, I recommend you check out this article and the associated sound file. guitarattack.com/opinion/tone.htmJohn "start practicing really, really hard!" ... This is where it all starts. But I guess we are "tone" chasers to some point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 10:03:25 GMT -6
I own a lot of un-shielded guitars that are quiet. No matter where I play. Now, I have to say I use shielded wire in my guitars. I also use a wall bug on my amps. The wall bug does help a lot. But to each their own.
Nothing will replace good wire and a good soldering job. Someone said something about a ground loop. I have been told there is no such thing when it comes to a guitar circuit. I think they are wrong. But what do I know? I have only worked on hundreds of guitars. Heck, I'm still learning. LOL!
Welcome to the forum, Chaz!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 10:16:28 GMT -6
Eddie, I've never heard of tone paint that's really funny. I like the 300k and 330 caps a lot like I said above somewhere they work well for both types of pickups. What I didn't say was that Gibson used them in the early days. Everybody loves those early days Gibson tone. LOL! Some people!
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 29, 2023 10:46:01 GMT -6
Concerning practicing and the way a player plays, there is a video floating around YouTube of Eric Johnson playing through Zakk Wylde's rig on the Experience Hendrix tour.
It is incredible -- it sounds just like Eric Johnson! I think once you get past building a quality (not necessarily expensive) guitar/amp chain, the practice and building your own style really come into play.
As Tuck Andress used to say, "It's not the guitar's fault"!
I find that the more I practice and focus on learning new material the less I focus on hating my gear!
John
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Post by antares on Sept 29, 2023 15:34:19 GMT -6
That last sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 15:49:59 GMT -6
Concerning practicing and the way a player plays, there is a video floating around YouTube of Eric Johnson playing through Zakk Wylde's rig on the Experience Hendrix tour. It is incredible -- it sounds just like Eric Johnson! I think once you get past building a quality (not necessarily expensive) guitar/amp chain, the practice and building your own style really come into play. As Tuck Andress used to say, "It's not the guitar's fault"! I find that the more I practice and focus on learning new material the less I focus on hating my gear! John OK, I have to ask this. Why would anyone want to sound like someone else? All the famous people like BB King, SRV, EVH, Santana, and many more don't sound like anyone else. They came up with their own sound/tone. When you hear them, you know who they are. No one can sound or take claim to their sound. They are a done deal. No one cane ever take that and use it as their own. This is why one must put in the time and effort to find their "tone" I bet all the great's would tell ya, you have to find your own sound. What makes you, YOU! I never wanted to sound like someone else. Although some have said I sound like this person or another. That was never my intent.
The big guys of guitar were that way because they were inventors, pathfinders. If it were not for Les Paul, and some that came before him. EVH, Santana, Eric Johnson, Clapton, And many others may have never been. Or would they have? Hum...
Music had and always will be a way that one expresses one self. It is through the art of music that we can do that. There are a lot of people that can copy the Mona Lesa. But there is only one real Mona Lesa.
Play what you want, be who you are. Do the music your way. A true artist will always be someone out of the norm of things.
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Post by dnic on Sept 29, 2023 19:24:27 GMT -6
"Shielding is King, Steve" Too right Dane, but the shielding needs to be properly grounded, just shielding something alone is insufficient, and you also have to be aware of unintentionally creating hum inducing "ground loops". でつ e&oe ...I've been reassured by numerous wiring gurus That with the low voltage guitar circuits it's impossible to cause ground loops. But I don't create loops just the same. As for grounding to the shielding I let the multiple pots and switches take care of that for me. Although I have opened many Fender guitars that have ground wires from the shielding to the pots. I'm open to being proven wrong.
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Post by dnic on Sept 29, 2023 19:34:27 GMT -6
Concerning practicing and the way a player plays, there is a video floating around YouTube of Eric Johnson playing through Zakk Wylde's rig on the Experience Hendrix tour. It is incredible -- it sounds just like Eric Johnson! I think once you get past building a quality (not necessarily expensive) guitar/amp chain, the practice and building your own style really come into play. As Tuck Andress used to say, "It's not the guitar's fault"! I find that the more I practice and focus on learning new material the less I focus on hating my gear! John OK, I have to ask this. Why would anyone want to sound like someone else? All the famous people like BB King, SRV, EVH, Santana, and many more don't sound like anyone else. They came up with their own sound/tone. When you hear them, you know who they are. No one can sound or take claim to their sound. They are a done deal. No one cane ever take that and use it as their own. This is why one must put in the time and effort to find their "tone" I bet all the great's would tell ya, you have to find your own sound. What makes you, YOU! I never wanted to sound like someone else. Although some have said I sound like this person or another. That was never my intent.
The big guys of guitar were that way because they were inventors, pathfinders. If it were not for Les Paul, and some that came before him. EVH, Santana, Eric Johnson, Clapton, And many others may have never been. Or would they have? Hum...
Music had and always will be a way that one expresses one self. It is through the art of music that we can do that. There are a lot of people that can copy the Mona Lesa. But there is only one real Mona Lesa. Play what you want, be who you are. Do the music your way. A true artist will always be someone out of the norm of things. Well I don't practice enough to sound like anyone else. My wife just called me a rock star but it had nothing to do with my guitar playing. I do have my own sound but it may be an acquired taste.
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Post by dnic on Sept 29, 2023 19:37:31 GMT -6
Eddie, I've never heard of tone paint that's really funny. I like the 300k and 330 caps a lot like I said above somewhere they work well for both types of pickups. What I didn't say was that Gibson used them in the early days. Everybody loves those early days Gibson tone. LOL! Some people! Well Billy is a goofy if he thinks it the color that makes a difference.
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Post by antares on Sept 30, 2023 0:50:00 GMT -6
Then I contend that the gurus are confusing the guitar's signal with the induced interference Dane. It matters little once the amplifier gets hold of the signal because the levels are no longer inconsequential. This is why star grounding is preferable in a guitar, no loops with star "grounding"
Michael Faraday will be rotating in his box!
"For Lo! it is written"
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Post by antares on Sept 30, 2023 1:02:06 GMT -6
"Ground" or "Earth".
There's another myth. No such thing in an electric guitar- there's only ever signal return (which can be many routes- hence loops) and Mr. Kirchhoff knew very well about the mandatory balance between flow and return. A guitar's "ground" always shows a potential difference to true ground. It has the amp in the way for a start. Anyone who has read my verbal diarrhea will recall that I have always written ground in inverted commas where appropriate.
"Ground" helps me to visualise the signal's return path. Because of that, I prefer to read circuit diagrams that have "ground" at the bottom and climbing up as the signal(s) get(s) stronger, but I have to keep in mind that it's not objectively ground.
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