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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 10:37:31 GMT -6
Yep I honestly could never hear a difference. I always say my ears aren't good enough to hear the difference but I think my ears are way better than I give them credit for. I'm thinking of Buddy Guy Before wireless systems. He had a hundred feet of cable maybe more and a guy to follow him around as he went through the crowd to keep it from getting tangled up. The resistance in that cable should have have made hid tone sound like crap. IDK maybe there was a booster in line somewhere. When doing the closed note... Ever move your finger between the two frets? I have. You can change the pitch or sound of the sting. Then you can also change it by how much pressure one puts to the string.
I had a guy over a few weeks ago. He played on of guitars. He tole me it was out of intonation. I told him he was wrong, that he was pushing down on the string way too hard. So I played the guitar to show him. I was right, he was wrong. There was nothing wrong with the guitar. But one must take care when setting up a guitar. Not all of us have the same touch.
I was thinking of changing over to the 300k pots. Seems like I did try them on a guitar a long time ago. Hum... I can't remember if I like it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 10:53:25 GMT -6
As many of you know, I started playing guitar at the age of 9. I am now 69 years old. I have played on a lot of guitars and amps in my life. I was working on them way before I started to make them. I have encountered so many things that sales people and others have tried to spread. Most of them have turned out to be a sale pitch. But some sure could convince someone that what they were selling was truth.
Much on the lines of what we already have been talking about. But the "tone" myths will always be here. We used to have a guy that came on here, and he would go on about ash wood being the best sounding woods to use for a guitar. He and I had a chat about it many times.
To me, tone woods are the begets myths of them all. It's hard to convince me otherwise. I have used way too many woods to know better. I have also played on way too many guitars to know better.
But here we go, on and on, about "tone" LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 12:20:30 GMT -6
Thickness of paint effect the "Tone" of a guitar! LOL now there is a loaded gun! I see we have some paint manufacturers that make the claim their paints give your guitar a better tone. They call it "tone paint" WOW! What a bunch of nonsense!
Again, too many guitars I have played to say otherwise.
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Post by antares on Sept 22, 2023 12:26:08 GMT -6
Bone nuts (and bone saddles on acoustics.) That's a myth to me.
I can't tell the difference between bone, Corian, Tusc, brass or MOTS. I have a stainless-steel nut on my Gordon Smith double cut. They all sound pretty much the same to me.
Some classic 1960s music flowed from plastic saddles on ES-335s.
With nuts, it can only really affect open strings can't it?
Aesthetically though, it has to be bone or nothing. A nicely finished bone nut seals the deal and says something about the choices and capabilities of the maker in my view.
However, a bone pick certainly feels distinctive to me as it interacts with the strings and I really do like them. In fact there are noticeable distinctions between the various metal picks, horn picks, bone picks and good old vanilla plastic picks. I think that could be because we introduce friction and impact whereas nuts and saddles are static fulcrums.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 13:53:17 GMT -6
Bone nuts (and bone saddles on acoustics.) That's a myth to me. I can't tell the difference between bone, Corian, Tusc, brass or MOTS. I have a stainless-steel nut on my Gordon Smith double cut. They all sound pretty much the same to me. Some classic 1960s music flowed from plastic saddles on ES-335s. With nuts, it can only really affect open strings can't it? Aesthetically though, it has to be bone or nothing. A nicely finished bone nut seals the deal and says something about the choices and capabilities of the maker in my view. However, a bone pick certainly feels distinctive to me as it interacts with the strings and I really do like them. In fact there are noticeable distinctions between the various metal picks, horn picks, bone picks and good old vanilla plastic picks. I think that could be because we introduce friction and impact whereas nuts and saddles are static fulcrums. でつ e&oe ...This is a good one. On the nut end of things, you might have some differences if you only played open notes. LOL! But if one plays a lot of bar cords, I don't think anyone will hear a difference in what a nut is made from. I have made a lot of them out of wood. I started to use antler a couple of years ago. I started to use it because if shapes better than bone.
But again, people have used this part of the guitar as a selling point. So a lot of things have been made up to sell the guitar. Now I have heard some change in the saddle of an acoustic guitar. Going from plastic to bone, antler and so on can and will help the guitar resonate better. At least I think so. Again there may not a big curve in the way the guitars sound, but I have found in a lot of cases there is some change.
Yes, now I do believe that a pick can change the over all sound. I did one video on it, but had little response on it. I might do another one. Maybe when I do my video on the Fender twin tone mast amp.
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Post by dnic on Sept 22, 2023 20:32:24 GMT -6
I usually set the intonation with a light touch but if the client needs to touch the fret board every time then I try to accommodate. You know you will get a fret job out of it, right?LOL
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Post by dnic on Sept 25, 2023 9:00:27 GMT -6
Eddie, I've never heard of tone paint that's really funny.
I like the 300k and 330 caps a lot like I said above somewhere they work well for both types of pickups. What I didn't say was that Gibson used them in the early days. Everybody loves those early days Gibson tone.
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Post by dnic on Sept 25, 2023 9:23:52 GMT -6
Bone nuts (and bone saddles on acoustics.) That's a myth to me. I can't tell the difference between bone, Corian, Tusc, brass or MOTS. I have a stainless-steel nut on my Gordon Smith double cut. They all sound pretty much the same to me. Some classic 1960s music flowed from plastic saddles on ES-335s. With nuts, it can only really affect open strings can't it? Aesthetically though, it has to be bone or nothing. A nicely finished bone nut seals the deal and says something about the choices and capabilities of the maker in my view. However, a bone pick certainly feels distinctive to me as it interacts with the strings and I really do like them. In fact there are noticeable distinctions between the various metal picks, horn picks, bone picks and good old vanilla plastic picks. I think that could be because we introduce friction and impact whereas nuts and saddles are static fulcrums. でつ e&oe ...Now that's a touchy one. I often compare The 50s Les Pauls to today's standards. But yes plastic nuts in 335s made some amazing music. Same with the Pauls. I'm thinking gaps under frets and no glue. Oh my, and heaven forbid no CF rods in the neck. How could they possibly sound so good. Anyway, there are a lot of choices for nut and saddle material. I'm sure on some microscopic level there is a difference. I don't have dog hearing so it's prolly not an issue for me. I have clients however with very strong opinions regarding such things. I do like working with bone and the finished appearance. It's defiantly an upgrade from plastic cost wise so I outfit my guitars with bone nuts and saddles.
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Post by stratpurist on Sept 25, 2023 10:44:13 GMT -6
Back in the 70s I read that Eric Johnson removed the finish under the bridge of his strats. I bought into that one and modded my strats b/c it made sense. At the same time I doubted I could hear the difference. He also said that he removed the back tremolo cover to allow the guitar to breathe. I removed them from mine. I don't know about guitars breathing but I was pretty sure the plastic was not going to add to resonance or sustain.
More recently I read that Eric can hear the difference between different brands of battery. THAT's where I draw the line and call BS!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 11:11:25 GMT -6
Back in the 70s I read that Eric Johnson removed the finish under the bridge of his strats. I bought into that one and modded my strats b/c it made sense. At the same time I doubted I could hear the difference. He also said that he removed the back tremolo cover to allow the guitar to breathe. I removed them from mine. I don't know about guitars breathing but I was pretty sure the plastic was not going to add to resonance or sustain. More recently I read that Eric can hear the difference between different brands of battery. THAT's where I draw the line and call BS! LOL! I heard and did the same thing. I did a couple of guitars where I didn't put a finish under the bridge.
Eric is not the only one that says that about batteries. I don't remember how they are, but I do remember seeing something about that. I am like you in calling out the BS. There seems to be a lot of that these days!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 7:34:57 GMT -6
Dane, I have been trying to send you a message. Looks like it's not wanting to go through.Try and send me one. So I can explain something to ya! Thanks!
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 26, 2023 8:06:09 GMT -6
Back in the 70s I read that Eric Johnson removed the finish under the bridge of his strats. I bought into that one and modded my strats b/c it made sense. At the same time I doubted I could hear the difference. He also said that he removed the back tremolo cover to allow the guitar to breathe. I removed them from mine. I don't know about guitars breathing but I was pretty sure the plastic was not going to add to resonance or sustain. More recently I read that Eric can hear the difference between different brands of battery. THAT's where I draw the line and call BS! Good point -- Eric Johnson has added a lot to this conversation. I also read that he removed the finish from the neck pocket of his Strats to allow better neck to body contact. Concerning batteries, he claimed that Duracells had a different sound and kept a box of dead batteries around. Here is an article on it. missionengineering.com/inside-ejs-box-of-dead-batteries/John
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 26, 2023 8:11:39 GMT -6
Concerning nuts (and it drives me nuts), those great old Gibsons from the late 50s - yes, Les Pauls and ES-335s that some obsess over - had nuts made from nylon.
Remember that nylon was really cool back in the 50s and it didn't seem to affect the sound of the guitar at all.
I personally really like Tusq nuts and saddles. I recently put a Tusq nut on one of my SGs and it did sound better...or at least I think it did!
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Post by dnic on Sept 26, 2023 9:12:16 GMT -6
Back in the 70s I read that Eric Johnson removed the finish under the bridge of his strats. I bought into that one and modded my strats b/c it made sense. At the same time I doubted I could hear the difference. He also said that he removed the back tremolo cover to allow the guitar to breathe. I removed them from mine. I don't know about guitars breathing but I was pretty sure the plastic was not going to add to resonance or sustain. More recently I read that Eric can hear the difference between different brands of battery. THAT's where I draw the line and call BS! I've always said people hear what they expect to hear. Especially if you pay a lot for it. Don't know what removing the finish under the bridge would do if removing the finish from the whole guitar doesn't do anything. I don't like trem cavity covers just because they're in the way and ugly. Much rather see the guts. So much so that I carried the fabric into the cavity on my paisley strat. And the battery thing I heard a long time ago. Always been one of my go to myths.
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Post by dnic on Sept 26, 2023 9:18:58 GMT -6
Concerning nuts (and it drives me nuts), those great old Gibsons from the late 50s - yes, Les Pauls and ES-335s that some obsess over - had nuts made from nylon. Remember that nylon was really cool back in the 50s and it didn't seem to affect the sound of the guitar at all. I personally really like Tusq nuts and saddles. I recently put a Tusq nut on one of my SGs and it did sound better...or at least I think it did! John Thanks for jumping in on this John. I'm expecting some humdingers from you with your experience in repair and vast guitar knowledge.
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