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Post by antares on Sept 5, 2022 2:09:53 GMT -6
Ouch Dane. If'n you really make a good job of drilling into yourself, you can't just pull it back out- you have to wind the drill out backwards. Seen it done. Sadly, generally someone else has to do it for you because one of your hands is otherwise engaged holding the heavy drill and the twist drill has to be removed from the drill chuck first!
Another one is the linisher (a 3" wide continuous sanding belt that runs on rubber tyres.) That's instant. What you once had is suddenly gone. At first it is a flat area of skin that used to be curved to one extent or another. After about 8-10 seconds you get all these really tiny pin pricks of blood appearing that just get larger and larger. (Don't) ask me how I know.
Be careful out there!
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Post by dnic on Sept 5, 2022 8:44:01 GMT -6
Ouch Dane. If'n you really make a good job of drilling into yourself, you can't just pull it back out- you have to wind the drill out backwards. Seen it done. Sadly, generally someone else has to do it for you because one of your hands is otherwise engaged holding the heavy drill and the twist drill has to be removed from the drill chuck first! Another one is the linisher (a 3" wide continuous sanding belt that runs on rubber tyres.) That's instant. What you once had is suddenly gone. At first it is a flat area of skin that used to be curved to one extent or another. After about 8-10 seconds you get all these really tiny pin pricks of blood appearing that just get larger and larger. (Don't) ask me how I know. Be careful out there! でつ e&oe ...The drilling was more of a slicing since I was running the drill backward to avoid finish chipping. What I was really avoiding was walking over to the other bench to get an awl. I had a simular incident with a 8" grinding wheel. They do take meat off quite readily. Felt very much like a burn.
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Post by antares on Sept 5, 2022 16:06:25 GMT -6
I was lucky when I drilled through my finger. It was a DeSoutter "windy" angle drill and I had a 3.3 mm twist drill in the collet. I'd picked up a length of 0.55" wide aluminium "U" channel and I was putting pilot holes along one of the vertical legs. Unfortunately there was already such a hole in the other leg underneath and yep I bull's-eye'd it. It was "lucky" because I had the capping between the windy and my finger so I could keep it running and pull it back out. It made me feel just a wee bit queezy/ sick. The wags at work just said "put a pop rivet in it."
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Post by dnic on Sept 5, 2022 18:38:25 GMT -6
I was lucky when I drilled through my finger. It was a DeSoutter "windy" angle drill and I had a 3.3 mm twist drill in the collet. I'd picked up a length of 0.55" wide aluminium "U" channel and I was putting pilot holes along one of the vertical legs. Unfortunately there was already such a hole in the other leg underneath and yep I bull's-eye'd it. It was "lucky" because I had the capping between the windy and my finger so I could keep it running and pull it back out. It made me feel just a wee bit queezy/ sick. The wags at work just said "put a pop rivet in it." でつ e&oe ...The pop rivet sounds like good advice. Nice to be able to pull it out for yourself. I remember Getting a finger in a bandsaw I was using on a job. It had a very course blade and I felt felt every tooth as it went by. I turned white as a ghost and slid down a wall into a squat and just stayed there until the freak out went away. It was only a flesh wound, no bone involved. Cut bones hurt the worst. We could start a thread on all the injury's we've had through the years. I have very literally cut myself with every tool I own. That doesn't make me sound very bright, does it? 3.3, that's about an 1/8" right? That's a good size hole in a finger!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 19:03:04 GMT -6
Lets see... Hum... I got my had caught in a running engine once at work. Someone had put a nail in to hold a pully in place. I stuck my hand in to check something and somehow that nail got hold of my wedding ring. Liked to rip my finger off. I got my hand slammed into a printing pres that was running full speed. Cut one of my fingers down to the bone. Had to have my finger repaired. I was working on an old truck. I was under it, a ratchet came off a bolt and the handle went up under my eye. My eye was swollen for a week. I cut my knee cap open with a chain saw. Cut one of my legs open, had to have like 22 stitches in it. Ran my hand through a router. Had to have two fingers reconstructed.
I also ran one of my fingers through a band saw. Not fun!
Now, do you want me to go on about my neck? My eyes, my nose, I broke in 6 places? Back to my build, please!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 19:35:23 GMT -6
Went ahead and made me a fret board jig today. I made it out of teak wood.
Here is the ebony before I cut it and route it to a LP size
Here is one of the fretboard cut to size
Looks like my jig is going to work out fine. I left one of the board taped on to the jig. I am going to radius it tomorrow or the next day. I was to see if it will come out better than my last one I did. Since now, I have a proper jig for the fretboard.
I made this jig after I did my shop talk video Monday. I also got the peg head cut into the neck blank.
I did run into a problem with the neck blank again. I went to cut the peg head angle in and found out that the neck blank had twisted again. So, I spent at least an hour getting it squared up again. I'll be checking it out for the next few days. If it twists again, I have no choice but to scrap this neck blank. This wood has done nothing but fight me from day one. Not going to make a guitar out of it if it's not going to cooperate. But at least this time it twisted in the direction and there was no bow in it.
I hope for the best. I hate to have to scrap all that birds eye maple. But it would not be the fist time I lost a lot of expensive wood.
EB
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Post by dnic on Sept 5, 2022 19:53:40 GMT -6
Eddie, you sound like the kind of guy I wouldn't to be standing next to in a lightning storm! I have a very long list of injuries myself but I won't say them all at once because someone might think me careless.
I think the fretboard / router template is a good idea. I have made several over the years which work with various guitar designs.
That piece of maple has not been a good buy at all. Bummer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 7:24:23 GMT -6
Eddie, you sound like the kind of guy I wouldn't to be standing next to in a lightning storm! I have a very long list of injuries myself but I won't say them all at once because someone might think me careless. I think the fretboard / router template is a good idea. I have made several over the years which work with various guitar designs. That piece of maple has not been a good buy at all. Bummer when you break down what has happened to me over the years in a short post, it sure sounds like a lot. But I left out the 2 times I died and came back to life. Not everything that happened to me was my fault.
But, enough of that. It's not just the maple I bought. It was also the mahogany and some of the other wood. I'll never buy from them again. Going to see if there is a good place in the big city near me (an hour away) that I can buy some hard woods from. Should be someone.
I figured on the jig I might as well have one. Like I said, from here on out, it will be guitars for me that I am making. Since I like my necks to be closer to an LP or Gibson neck, that is what they will be. They will all be 12" radius with a 25" Scale.
Making the template out of teak wood should be good. Should be around for a long time. It will help take out the always having to measure all the time. The fret boards will be easy to center up, and now I'll be able to leave them in the radius jig without removing them to do the finish sanding on them. So it is a good thing all the way around.
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Oh, I bet we are all a train wreck when it comes down to how many times we have gone through stuff. Both on the job and off the job. Anyone that has worked with their hands and minds has had to go thorough something. When It comes to power tools or machines of any kind, anything can happen at anytime. All it takes is that one time when you think all is well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 14:13:56 GMT -6
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Post by dnic on Sept 7, 2022 17:11:20 GMT -6
I watched on YT. I think you should mention where you got the wood but only if they are claiming it's dry to a certain #. I've had the place where I buy my wood check moisture content for me and it was about to 6%. They told me that everything in there shop was dry like that. I've had very few boards go wild on me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 7:45:35 GMT -6
I watched on YT. I think you should mention where you got the wood but only if they are claiming it's dry to a certain #. I've had the place where I buy my wood check moisture content for me and it was about to 6%. They told me that everything in there shop was dry like that. I've had very few boards go wild on me. I may at another time say who they are. It's a small place. They had woods there with sings on them saying how dry the woods are supposed to be. But I think before I buy any more wood from anyone, I am going to buy me a moister tester. That way I can check it myself. The thing is, I didn't see any problems with the wood when I bought it. Then the woods sat in my room for a couple of months before I used it. It wasn't until I used the woods I found the problems.
I don't really know what or why there should have been all the problems I had with this wood. Never have I ever had this many things go wrong with wood. I think some of it is the wood is being cut too soon. The trees they are using are too young. To keep up with demand of hard woods, they are cutting down trees that are not that old.
I don't know, but It's getting to where one can't trust anything. People can say all they want about big box stores like Lows and Home Depot. But all the wood I got from them was always stable. I never had one problem from the woods I bought from them.
I really don't like buying wood online as well. But, what do you do? I would like to keep on making guitars as long as I can. But looking for a good wood supplier is driving me nuts! You would think, living here where I am at, it would not be so hard to find someone. So, far the places that are close to me are saw mills. But you have to buy slabs of wood from them, and they are not cheap. Most don't deliver, then I have to cut the wood up for me to be able for me to use it.
We are talking, a huge slab of wood on top of it. 18 to 20' long, Some of the wood are wider than our body. Yep, already looked at some. Now If I thought I could wind up using most of that wood I may try and get a slab. But the cost of the wood, having someone deliver it, then spending time cutting it up and figuring out where to store it, and more than likely letting it dry out so that I can use it. Hum... is it really worth it?
So, now buying a hunk of wood online does not sound all that bad. LOL! Alder 20" x 14" is now over $100.00US, that is for two piece glue up. I remember not too long ago I could get it for $40.00. Maybe I'll go see if I can find a pallet wood. LOL!
Sure does get a little discouraging. If it didn't cost so much to ship, I would buy it for you, Dane. HA!
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Post by dnic on Sept 8, 2022 9:03:55 GMT -6
I get a lot of wood from local people that know about my guitar work. Some of it has been great but a good deal of it has stress built in and once I cut it it moves. My neighbor burns wood for heat. It just so happens that I cut up a bunch of "guitar" wood and tossed it over her fence yesterday. Will be cutting more today.
TT guitars is aways talking about Dan at Tone Wood Experts. Always seems high priced to me especially with shipping. But then they are assorbbing all the waist and defects into their cost structure.
Could be time to start using alternate materials. I've seen a lot of - TONE WORD WARNING - TONE CONCRETE, TONE LEGGOS, TONE RESIN, TONE PENCILS. And if you're Ben at Crimson you can use all manner of crap wood and hold it together with TONE RODS.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 9:57:56 GMT -6
I get a lot of wood from local people that know about my guitar work. Some of it has been great but a good deal of it has stress built in and once I cut it it moves. My neighbor burns wood for heat. It just so happens that I cut up a bunch of "guitar" wood and tossed it over her fence yesterday. Will be cutting more today. TT guitars is aways talking about Dan at Tone Wood Experts. Always seems high priced to me especially with shipping. But then they are assorbbing all the waist and defects into their cost structure. Could be time to start using alternate materials. I've seen a lot of - TONE WORD WARNING - TONE CONCRETE, TONE LEGGOS, TONE RESIN, TONE PENCILS. And if you're Ben at Crimson you can use all manner of crap wood and hold it together with TONE RODS. Yep. Seen Ben do a lot of things with junk woods. Been thinking about that too. But I don't like to use epoxy for filling in. But it's not all over. I'll keep on looking. I may end up buying furniture that I can cut up. Sometimes I come across mahogany, maple, and cherry. So I may go that way. Then again, I might go back to doing kit guitars. LOL! EB
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Post by antares on Sept 8, 2022 15:23:30 GMT -6
Obviously I'm staying out of this convo, but I just want to record that it's awesome reading what you guys have to say on this subject.
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