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Post by dnic on Jun 30, 2022 13:37:13 GMT -6
Thanks John, can't say that I know about all this sort of thing. But Celestion speakers always get great praise. I suppose they both sound great just different. Thanks for the info John.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jul 1, 2022 10:36:05 GMT -6
Thanks John, can't say that I know about all this sort of thing. But Celestion speakers always get great praise. I suppose they both sound great just different. Thanks for the info John. Dane -- I like Celestions, and they are a critical part of the Marshall sound. Like Fane speakers in Hiwatt and Sound City cabinets, the amps don't sound right without the right speaker. I'm going to do a video on this...more to follow. John
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Post by dnic on Jul 1, 2022 12:28:27 GMT -6
Thanks John, can't say that I know about all this sort of thing. But Celestion speakers always get great praise. I suppose they both sound great just different. Thanks for the info John. Dane -- I like Celestions, and they are a critical part of the Marshall sound. Like Fane speakers in Hiwatt and Sound City cabinets, the amps don't sound right without the right speaker. I'm going to do a video on this...more to follow. John COOL!
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Post by antares on Jul 1, 2022 12:38:34 GMT -6
'Fess up time, I like Celestions too but I suspect that is based upon received bias. I had an AC30 with blue "Bulldog" Celestions and I deeply regret trading it, but the combo I traded it for has a 12" Celestion, and I have two other combo amps with Celestions, one 12" and one 10". My experience is not broad ranging enough to say whether any particular loudspeakers sound better in any given amplifier or cabinet, and certainly I have never "turned up to eleven" which I believe is pre-requisite to be able hold a reliable opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 7:14:25 GMT -6
My new Fender amp has Celestions in it. I have had a lot of amps with them in it. They are one of my favorites. I also like tone tubby. It has a hemp cone in it. Has a little more bass than a Celestions but that is fine with me.
I have used a lot of the different Celestions they make. I like them all. The one thing I have learned in my time is that speakers need to break in. I have found the more you use them, the better they sound. I remember I installed a brand new Celestion in one of my amp builds. I did not like the sound at first. But after about 40 hr of plying through it. (that includes playing in bands) It really came to life. After moving to FL I sold that amp. I wish now I had never sold it. I miss that amp a lot. It was based off the Fender Blues Deluxe.
But I still have my other amp that I made. It is based off the Fender 1964 Prenstion that is the one with the Tone Tubby in it. I'll probably never sell it. The way things are going, I'll probably not ever get to build another one.
EB
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Dec 24, 2022 7:30:57 GMT -6
I have decided I will keep this rig and play some gigs with it in 2023.
I don't want to give it away...are these a relic of a different time? A curiosity for young players? Something the old guys in the Model A club still talk about?
I'm not sure, but it sure sounds great!
John
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Post by antares on Dec 24, 2022 11:20:41 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with only having a 12AX7 John. There are some great sounds coming from solid state amplifiers these days, and I'm not referring to the indisputably clever digital modelling there. I have several Session combo amps (now known as Award Session) and one that I'll cite is the small time famous 75 Watts Sessionette- all solid state with a Celestion, but you should hear it- it has that elusive rusty razor edge hair on the clean notes. The tone stack from that amp is still available as the Jerry Donahue JD10 recording preamp, an example of which I also own. The designer was championing transistors / mosFET amps right from the early 1980s, and he has always maintained that it's what an engineer does with things that really matters. A hefty audio output transformer and sensitive loudspeakers knocking on 100 dB per Watt are really significant ingredients in the secret soup.
Because I'm useless at selling stuff, I'm kind of stuck with all my acquisitions so I say enjoy what you have John. I totally concur that I won't under sell, but I have once given away to a deserving case.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Aug 10, 2023 10:04:59 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with only having a 12AX7 John. There are some great sounds coming from solid state amplifiers these days, and I'm not referring to the indisputably clever digital modelling there. I have several Session combo amps (now known as Award Session) and one that I'll cite is the small time famous 75 Watts Sessionette- all solid state with a Celestion, but you should hear it- it has that elusive rusty razor edge hair on the clean notes. The tone stack from that amp is still available as the Jerry Donahue JD10 recording preamp, an example of which I also own. The designer was championing transistors / mosFET amps right from the early 1980s, and he has always maintained that it's what an engineer does with things that really matters. A hefty audio output transformer and sensitive loudspeakers knocking on 100 dB per Watt are really significant ingredients in the secret soup. でつ e&oe ...I am not familiar with the Session amps but Jerry Donahue is awesome. One hybrid amp I do remember is the Legend amps from the 1980s. They looked like Mesa/Boogies - cane grills and natural cabinets - but had a tube preamp and solid-state amp and Celestion speaker. Unbelievably loud with a somewhat ice-picky quality lol. I too have a lot of gear....and still have that Tube Works rig! John
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Post by antares on Aug 11, 2023 3:02:23 GMT -6
Session users were / are around. Dave Stewart of The Eurythmics. Eric Clapton on one of his albums- I forget which but I don't think it was 461 Ocean Boulevard. Did he make an album called August? There's a picture of David Gilmour sitting on or next to one on the Award Session website. There's a list on the Award Session Website. The Sessionette that I own is one of the earliest- directly after the "Session 15-30" tube amp that I also own which was their first amp. They only made 400 of them and I have one which like most of my amps is mint-ish, unused. The designer told me that he had an example right there in his workshop, and that he had on file a couple of "names" who would snatch the Session 15-30 valve amp off me in a heartbeat if I was so disposed.
The PA block in my Sessionette is now unobtanium, so it's like walking on egg shells. The company did sell some replacement PA blocks a while ago as "When it's gone, it's gone" but you know how it is- I kept putting it off (Facepalm). Coincidentally, I discovered that the designer's cousin (also an early Session employee) lives three doors down from me!
The JD10 pedal came about because Mr. Douglass wanted the flexibility and sound a Sessionette could provide that he could carry in his guitar case into a studio and plug straight into the desk or a PA and be in control of his "tone", and the designer came up with that pedal which as I said is basically the pre amp and tone stack from the Sessionette. Since the Session amps generally used them, it has Celestion loudspeaker simulation on board, and so was well ahead of the modelling game for its time. I have never really found any use for it given that I have the amp anyway. A product endorser from the early 1980s! Really though, it's not the sort of thing you put between a guitar and an amp's inputs- obviously it works, but the effects loop is a better choice.
The 15-30 is as you'd guess a switchable 15 watts and 30 watts amp. The cabinet was designed to replicate the physical volume of an AC30. With the 400 strong production run, it was perhaps one of the earliest booteek amps. Largely unused maybe, but I wouldn't part with it. The designer told me that if an engineer does his work properly, it matters little whether tubes or 'the fastest fuses on three legs" are used, and so why would that engineer persevere with valves when transistors are lighter and structurally much more robust? If you put my 15-30 up against my Sessionette, I'm afraid you'd just have to concur.
I still like tubes though! See where this is going? ;<D
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