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Post by dnic on Mar 8, 2022 19:15:56 GMT -6
I don't get too use my amps anymore, I only play at church and my whole set up is a few pedals to a DI into a digital Bahringer board. I should probably use a Sansamp or some sort of interface. My sound is ok in my in ears but I never hear the house and it frightens me to think about how bad it might sound. For all the hype and arguing that goes on about tone I'm completely lassies-faire about it.
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Post by antares on Mar 9, 2022 5:49:52 GMT -6
I don't play through amps these days, old(ish!) age I guess? That said, I have a Roland Micro Cube right here on the bookshelf with an AKG wireless mic. hooked up and occasionally ...
I figure if I met up with some other musos the old gear would get some exercise, but I don't go about actively seeking like-minded folk. Perhaps I should because I know right well it would benefit me.
Most of my amps are somewhat inaccessible (a couple are in the loft/attic), but I can jack into a Session 15-30 "tube" amp readily enough (seriouly loud at 15 watts let alone 30!) and also a Session Sessionette 75 watts solid state amp. both upstairs in the "music / radio room". It's just that generally I don't.
Seems daft to think how much extra I paid for a detached property just so I could crank "up to eleven".
John I suspect you should hang on to your TubeWorks assuming that it's as good as the reports I hear suggest. I traded in my 1960s Vox AC30 for that Session 15-30, and as good as it is, I've been licking that wound for a good forty years now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 7:00:01 GMT -6
Guess I am an old die hard old school kind of guy. I love my tube amps.
Now that we will no longer be living in a condo I will never not see the need of playing through anything else.
I have tried out and bought other things to play through, they all sound okay. But for me they all are lacking something.
Even as good as some of the new technology has gotten, after a while I can hear and feel the difference in them. If truth be told I think many would say the same thing.
To me there’s nothing better than playing through a guitar amp.
Back in the early days of when I was recording in a studio and they was coming out with directly plugging in bypassing the amp and using their ten thousand dollar software it was no where as good as the real deal.
Dane our church uses the same set up as your church.
Everyone goes through the system.
The electric guitars sound awful.
The acoustic guitars sound good.
Many of the people on the team say they wish they could go back to some of the old school ways of doing things. They say to them it sounded better.
I don’t know but for me what I hear today sounds to canned.
To mechanical. With all the backing tracks and no amps and so on. I feel that most of the music I hear has lost its heart and sole.
Listen to some of the old music and then listen to some of the new music of today.
There’s a huge difference on the sound and heart of it.
For me I will always love the raw sound we once had.
I will probably die that way.
EB
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Post by antares on Mar 10, 2022 3:54:58 GMT -6
"Old" equals no click track precision, no vocal pitch correction that on occasion sounds like the singer has been sampled and is being played back through a keyboard, no pesky digital artifacts, and artists that could get up and start to sing or play. Now we have this digital revolution which means that the monopoly on recording access is broken (and by extension the monopoly on monetisation of the process) and everyone can produce music not only in their own DAW equipped studios, but on the fly on a 'phone or tablet. And doesn't it show? Lacking the filtration provided by A&R and the music labels' stranglehold on the cash flow, the lowest common denominator is put into place.
I don't hear that time served singing technique of establishing pitch first and gradually introducing the vibrato as the vocal tails off these days. You can hear David Gilmour leveraging that technique in his approach to soloing on a guitar.
There is nothing new in all this, it's just become ubiquitous so many look no further than the noses on their faces and just accept things without even a second thought. As evidence of that I think that the very first digitally recorded popular music record was "Bop 'Til You Drop" (the classical music fraternity were into digital before us oiks) and Ry has allegedly gone on the record as stating that although no one can turn the clock back, he wished that he'd recorded it on tape.
Me- I'm just waiting for a three-time rap "song" to show its face over the parapet ...
It's not such a bleak landscape as I've painted though- folks occasionally still come up with new "stuff" that we engage with, but from my subjective point of view most modern output is bland and maybe illustrates why youngsters "discover" old classic pop, blues and rock etc, and probably why there is a current vinyl obsession too?
Snap, crackle, pop ... ;<D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2022 9:24:05 GMT -6
Yes, I feel things have changed a lot in music. For me there is no sole felt music like it once was. Evey now again we do get blessed by someone. But not to often. Like it or not the old school ways of recording did have some MOJO that is lacking in today's music. Even when I use to have my own recording studio I did it old school. Did I have some things to over come? Sure! But as I look back on it now, that was part of the fun.
I spent a lot of hours in learning how to make everyone sound the best I could. I am into great sounding sound. I helped a lot of people do demos so that could get gigs. Those demos where great sounding. Not some throne together junk with uneven sound.
But to me I love a stage full of stuff. I miss seeing the monitors, cables all over the place guitar amps and so on. There is a MOJO there like it or not. Yes anyone can make their own CDs these days. And because of voice enhancement they can sound like a pro. Until they have to sing live. I can hear where singers use voice correction while singing. It's not good!
Yes I also know about punch in and punch out for making recordings. But it is different today than it use to be. I know I am a dying breed of people. But if it was not for us old school people there wound be no new school was of doing things.
I remember a studio I was in once back in the 80s. they had a key board there that they had me speak into. Then they showed me how they could use that and play a song and it sounded like me singing. I was taken back at how well it sounded. I though back then, why even have anyone sing? I can't imagine how it would be like now.
But like someone once said... Just because we can does not mean we have to... Just because we can reproduce music the way we can now, does it really make it better? I don't know but like I said, listen to the old stuff. There is a lot of MOJO in there than what is being produced now. I know I can hear and feel the difference.
Where will music go from here? I don't know. But I was in a store yesterday and they had tones of old school LPs (reproductions) New! I could not help but get a tear for the past. I though maybe just maybe all is not lost. Everything form the 50s to the 70s. on new LPs. I want to get me a turn table and start my old collection of lp again. I gotten rid of all my Old LPs years ago, when cassette tapes came out. LOL!
EB
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Post by antares on Mar 10, 2022 10:39:23 GMT -6
I still have my hoard of 500-odd vinyl albums and a shoe box full of 45s Eddie. I have a Rega Planar deck (and two other decks in storage). In the face of domestic pressure, I refused to get rid of my collection. I even commissioned at not insignificant expense a bespoke solid oak cabinet to house my hifi separates about 4-5 years ago.
When CDs came in somewhere around the mid 1980s, I began to acquire my favourite albums all over again in the new fangled (and artificially inflated cost) format. It always irked me that the music business took a dim view of me copying them and erected various nefarious ways to prevent me from doing so when I had already paid them twice for identical intellectual property rights. Upon hearing CDs for the first time, the first thing I noticed was that I discovered lots of music that I'd been unaware of due to my silly habit of keeping to preferred sides of vinyl albums. Next I became aware of all sorts of niceties in the music that I hadn't previously noticed during vinyl playback. Folks have told me that it was because of my "low end" vinyl reproduction equipment, but I always begged to differ. Where I have the CD pressing of any given vinyl in my collection, I always choose to play the CD.
As someone who grew up during the hey-day of vinyl, I have to assert (as in $0.02- YMMV etc) that the current obsession with it is just cynical market exploitation of folks determined to find a niche for themselves, by a music business unable to come to terms with the dried up revenue stream brought about by file sharing and YouTube / Spotify and so on. Over here, gin has been turned around into a market sensation which previously barely existed. It just takes for someone to recognise a niche and then erect an elaborate construct around it and off we go on that gravy train again until someone calls it out and slowly it peters out. I maintain that neat gin is vomit inducing, and has to be blended with various "botanicals" and requisite mixers just to make it palatable, and then folks discover that they like it. I have yet to meet anyone who admits to drinking and liking neat gin.
I predict that the current vinyl obsession will continue to gather steam, but I have a feeling that it will not last anywhere as long as it did the last time around once folks get fed up with hoisting their lardies out of their armchairs every eighteen minutes to flip it, and anyway- they've yet to invent a vinyl Walkman!
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Mar 18, 2022 10:43:45 GMT -6
I still have my hoard of 500-odd vinyl albums and a shoe box full of 45s Eddie. I have a Rega Planar deck (and two other decks in storage). In the face of domestic pressure, I refused to get rid of my collection. I even commissioned at not insignificant expense a bespoke solid oak cabinet to house my hifi separates about 4-5 years ago. When CDs came in somewhere around the mid 1980s, I began to acquire my favourite albums all over again in the new fangled (and artificially inflated cost) format. It always irked me that the music business took a dim view of me copying them and erected various nefarious ways to prevent me from doing so when I had already paid them twice for identical intellectual property rights. Upon hearing CDs for the first time, the first thing I noticed was that I discovered lots of music that I'd been unaware of due to my silly habit of keeping to preferred sides of vinyl albums. Next I became aware of all sorts of niceties in the music that I hadn't previously noticed during vinyl playback. Folks have told me that it was because of my "low end" vinyl reproduction equipment, but I always begged to differ. Where I have the CD pressing of any given vinyl in my collection, I always choose to play the CD. As someone who grew up during the hey-day of vinyl, I have to assert (as in $0.02- YMMV etc) that the current obsession with it is just cynical market exploitation of folks determined to find a niche for themselves, by a music business unable to come to terms with the dried up revenue stream brought about by file sharing and YouTube / Spotify and so on. Over here, gin has been turned around into a market sensation which previously barely existed. It just takes for someone to recognise a niche and then erect an elaborate construct around it and off we go on that gravy train again until someone calls it out and slowly it peters out. I maintain that neat gin is vomit inducing, and has to be blended with various "botanicals" and requisite mixers just to make it palatable, and then folks discover that they like it. I have yet to meet anyone who admits to drinking and liking neat gin. I predict that the current vinyl obsession will continue to gather steam, but I have a feeling that it will not last anywhere as long as it did the last time around once folks get fed up with hoisting their lardies out of their armchairs every eighteen minutes to flip it, and anyway- they've yet to invent a vinyl Walkman! でつ e&oe ...Steve -- I concur with the current obsession with vinyl. Some of the hipsters I deal with love talking about vinyl in the same breath as their praise for the newest "classic rock" song on Spotify. It is really popular to be part of now, but I can't help but think it is very transitory trend. Bands are selling it direct because it is about the only thing they can make any money with, and it is fashionable. I still have a lot of my vinyl from the 70s and 80s, and I listen to it sporadically. It seems like I don't have the time just to sit and listen to "Dark Side" start to finish - uninterrupted - like I once did. More to follow on this, John |
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Post by antares on Mar 20, 2022 11:33:43 GMT -6
I still have the posters in my Dark Side vinyl sleeve, but the stickers went the way of lever arch files when I was at school. Ah- heady days. Pretty much four complete changes of fashion in the 1970s (left over 1960s hippies, Glam Rock, Progressive Rock and Punk Rock.) Add the New Romantics in the early 1980s and you have five. What have we had for the last three decades? baseball caps on backwards, trainers (sneakers) and threadbare baggy trousers at half mast. I guess we were lucky and advancing years is the price paid, but when I look around I wouldn't change things. I'll sign off before I start on pitch corrected vocals and click tracked ProTools again!
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Mar 21, 2022 13:36:58 GMT -6
I still have the posters in my Dark Side vinyl sleeve, but the stickers went the way of lever arch files when I was at school. Ah- heady days. Pretty much four complete changes of fashion in the 1970s (left over 1960s hippies, Glam Rock, Progressive Rock and Punk Rock.) Add the New Romantics in the early 1980s and you have five. What have we had for the last three decades? baseball caps on backwards, trainers (sneakers) and threadbare baggy trousers at half mast. I guess we were lucky and advancing years is the price paid, but when I look around I wouldn't change things. I'll sign off before I start on pitch corrected vocals and click tracked ProTools again! でつ e&oe ...Steve - great point. The 70s did have some great swings of music/fashion. It absolutely stalled out; the crowd at most concerts I've been to lately are dressed like they walked out of the Limp Bizkit set at Woodstock '99. Not sure why that is...maybe there is a different interpretation of "rebellious" these days. Would like to see something new, or even something old done up in a new wrapper. By the way - my son corrected my calling a "jumper" a "sweatshirt" when he was in British school. John |
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Post by antares on Mar 23, 2022 4:25:44 GMT -6
And of course "Pants/Trousers"!
Actually, I prefer trousers because we have morphed the noun into a verb ("He trousered the cash when no one was watching.") This is far from uncommon as witness "I texted her yesterday." When did the noun "Text" become the past participle of a verb? (Texted).
Anywho, we think of "pants" as undergarments, and a few of us enlightened souls use the Asian slang "Chuddies" for those!
So, about that TubeWorks rig then ;<D
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Mar 23, 2022 17:09:56 GMT -6
So, about that TubeWorks rig then ;<D でつ e&oe ...Sadly, there is only one tube in this entire rig. Yes, one 12AX7 in the preamp! I am going to crank it up this weekend. John |
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jun 28, 2022 9:18:26 GMT -6
I keep getting a lot of comments on this YouTube video. Luckily they are mostly positive!
I got the rig out and hooked it up through one of my Marshall cabinets. I think it sounded better than the TubeWorks cabs, but it is subjective. It certainly had more "chunk" and low end.
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Post by dnic on Jun 29, 2022 7:57:34 GMT -6
I keep getting a lot of comments on this YouTube video. Luckily they are mostly positive! I got the rig out and hooked it up through one of my Marshall cabinets. I think it sounded better than the TubeWorks cabs, but it is subjective. It certainly had more "chunk" and low end. John John, do you know what speakers are involved in each of the cabs. That is with out taking things apart. Please don't go to any trouble to decree this. |
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jun 29, 2022 12:17:02 GMT -6
John, do you know what speakers are involved in each of the cabs. That is with out taking things apart. Please don't go to any trouble to decree this. Dane - One cabinet has two Celestion Vintage 30s, and the other one has two Celestion G12T-75s. The Marshall JCM-900 A cabinet I used has four Celestion G12T-75s. The Marshall has more open space in the cabinet, and I think that adds to some of the low end. I've thought about putting one of each speaker in the Tube Works cabs...sort of make an "X" pattern with two cabinets. Yet another item on the "to do" list. John |
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Post by dnic on Jun 30, 2022 13:37:13 GMT -6
Thanks John, can't say that I know about all this sort of thing. But Celestion speakers always get great praise. I suppose they both sound great just different. Thanks for the info John.
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