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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 11:25:05 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 11:46:44 GMT -6
Seems like a lot of money. But I guess if one was to buy a bunch of pedals it would cost more?
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Post by antares on Oct 7, 2023 12:56:31 GMT -6
Depends on your use case I suppose, but having looked up the price, for me- no way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 14:29:31 GMT -6
Depends on your use case I suppose, but having looked up the price, for me- no way. でつ e&oe ...Years ago, I bought the Fender Mustang 4 amp. I bought it brand new with all the bells and whistles. I owned for less than 6 months before I sold it. It had 99 presets that I only used 3 that I had modded for my own taste. Played out with it 3 times and never liked the amp. The hours I spent in downloading and setting up the amp was not what I signed up for. The Fender software was not what it was cracked up to be. At least the free one wasn't. There was one channel That I spent like 3 or 4 days on. Trying to get it to sound the way I wanted. Never could. Then, once I sold the amp, it was a huge ordeal to transfer the amp to the new owner. Was an expensive endeavor I don't want to ever go into again.
This Fender device reminds me a lot of the Mustang amps.
It seems out of range for a lot of musicians (guitar players) It looks like a lot of fun. But I wonder how many of the functions would one use? Is there too much on it to chose from?
Well, for me, I have not been a fan of modeling amps. I have owned a few in the past. They didn't stick around for long. The Mustang was the last one I owned.
I looked at a few videos on this. But most people that demo it is all about the distortion (tone) much like in the video posted. It does seem to have some cool sounds in that way. But I'm old school. You can always dirty up a clean sound. But you can't clean up a dirty sound.
Then I wonder about the foot switch having the built-in knob? What happens is the know gets turned while using the switch?
I also know this is the future of the way sound is going. I see more and more stages looking empty of guitar amps, stage monitors and so on. I see a lot of iPad and cell phones being used along with the ear monitors. To me, the stage has lost it's MOJO. People playing to backing tracks and a like. Why not go to using caned music and forget about playing on stage?
If people what to sound like a recording, then make one and forget about live all together. So many people are using auto-tune for their voices these days as well. If you can't sing, then don't! I miss the old days of dealing with feed back and being totally live. Again, the MOJO is disappearing in most music today.
It does look cool. But how much should cool cost?  I know I cannot afford this kind of cool! |
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Post by antares on Oct 8, 2023 2:30:08 GMT -6
I bought a Yamaha DigiStomp probably twenty years ago now it was way ahead of its time and featured Sherman tank build quality. I also bought the similarly well made expression pedal to go with it. It's upstairs somewhere! It has 90 preset "tones" and 90 user configurable slots. The (few) "good" ones are frankly awesome. A significant minority are beyond being just gimmicks, they're plain unusable.
Folks rightly seem to want to nail their own distinctive tone and some actually do manage to achieve that end. A bit of variation is good, but a smörgasbord of tones at your disposal will just lead down a wabbit hole. What I'm saying is that you are unlikely to "own your tone" with one of these miracle cures, and what you do latch onto in an inevitable pareto exercise is likely to be the same as the next guit fiddler with a large enough disposable bank balance.
That said, as usual it's what you do with it that counts at the end of the day, but I'd like to hear of a player that makes full use of the myriad tones at his or her disposal.
What valves does it use? ;<D
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Oct 9, 2023 9:26:15 GMT -6
You have to a product to sell, and this seems type of guitar product people want.
I have not played through the Fender one, but I've played through almost all of them and they all have something useful for most guitarists.
Most of the selling points on these are gimmicks. Most - if not all - players will ever use all of the features. How did all of those players back in the 60s and 70s craft their tones with just an amp, pedal, and an Echoplex? I've been listening to Humble Pie at the Fillmore lately. If I could get a box to sound like those Marshalls, I would be very happy.
I still think my red POD 2.0 is the best sounding modeler I've played!
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Oct 9, 2023 9:29:16 GMT -6
Seems like a lot of money. But I guess if one was to buy a bunch of pedals it would cost more? I have had it with pedals, particularly for gigs. Trying to keep those temperamental creatures coexisting on a pedal board is too much. I also hate having to do the "bending down" maneuver with the knobs! While it was fun when I was younger, it has become tiresome at this point in my life. John |
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Post by antares on Oct 9, 2023 11:53:23 GMT -6
Well over twenty years ago I sold all my pedals except my Crybaby and the Rangemaster, the latter for no better reason that it was worth so much money. Almost immediately I felt the gap left by the DynaComp so I bought another from a local pawn shop. I thought that was it and truthfully it was, but those little varmints just creep back in. On the rare occasions that I switch on an amp, the only pedals connected are a Tech21 Boost Delay, a DejaVibe and an Origin Effects "SlideRIG". Occasionally I have another go with my Akai HeadRush but I just can't seem to marry up my ears, brain and toe. The other 20-odd pedals just gather dust. youtu.be/Yn72XPfzLBo?feature=sharedIn your heart you need a SlideRIG! So although I totally agree with you regarding effects John- for myself they are a bit of a crutch, but I reckon one or two sacrifices are justified. でつ e&oe ... |
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Post by antares on Oct 10, 2023 2:32:11 GMT -6
That wasn't too clear was it? I meant that one should avoid papering over the cracks in one's technique by painting with effects, and not that I rely upon them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 7:22:54 GMT -6
That wasn't too clear was it? I meant that one should avoid papering over the cracks in one's technique by painting with effects, and not that I rely upon them. でつ e&oe ...That is how I feel about distortion. I see so many players that use distortion to hide their playing technique or sloppy playing. Please don't get me wrong, there are good players out there. But there are a lot of players that use distortion to try and make themselves seem like they are good players.
All it take is some viewing of YT videos, and it does not take long to hear what I am saying. I do like a good sounding distortion and a good player. But when people make videos with over the top distortion and bad playing, well, let's say it's not good! After a while most of the videos I have seen on YT with people playing their distorted guitars get a little redundant and I find myself going on to something else.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 7:25:05 GMT -6
Seems like a lot of money. But I guess if one was to buy a bunch of pedals it would cost more? I have had it with pedals, particularly for gigs. Trying to keep those temperamental creatures coexisting on a pedal board is too much. I also hate having to do the "bending down" maneuver with the knobs! While it was fun when I was younger, it has become tiresome at this point in my life. John Boy do I hear ya on that! LOL! I stopped using pedals a long time ago. For me, they seemed more problems than they were worth. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 9:00:00 GMT -6
Here is one for ya about pedals. I was invited to play in a concert with a band that was made up with people that had never played together. It was the first time any of had played music together. (have you ever done anything like that?) Me; I did how I do things. I put my amp on an amp stand and plugged in. No pedals, I am a plug the guitar in the amp kind of guy. I was set up and tuned up in no time.
Then one of the other guitars players that was late getting there brought in two hand trucks with cases on them. Them cases was his pedal board! WOW! I had never seen so many pedals! Took him about 45 min to get set up. We did even make through one song rehearsal when his pedal board acted up. 20 min. Later he was ready to try again. It still was messing up and all he could say was," it worked fine at home" Again WOW!
So we got through rehearsal. Only to be told by this guy and another guitar player I was playing too loud. But, every time I turned down, the sound man would tell me to turn up. So, when these two guys said something to me again, I told them to take it up with the sound tech.
Well, I guess my point it is, how many pedals does one need? And why should other band members have to wait on someone to fix something that is taking up so much time. That rehearsal took a lot longer than it should have. Even the sound tech got on to the guy for wasting a lot of time.
The one with all the pedals did wind up unplugging one of the huge pedal boards he had brought with him. I may add to that, his pedal boards took up a lot of space on the stage. Space that we had to make for him and pretty much made the rest of have to stand close together.
I was glad when that night was over. It had been years before that I had to put up huge egos like the other two guitar players I played with that night. At one point I almost packed it and went home. But the lady that had invited me asked me to stay. And if the other two did not stop going on at me, she would ask them to leave.
To this day, I don't know what these two had against me. During rehearsal, I did turn off my amp to see if one of the two would say anything to me. And sure enough, the one without the pedal boards says to me. Look, you are playing too loud, turn down. I showed him my amp was off! He never spoke to again though out the night. LOL!
I never did play music with them two again.
But really, how many pedals does on need to hide behind? The thing is, the guy with all them pedals was not that good of a guitar player. He didn't even have that good of sound/tone to his playing. So what good was all that money in pedals doing him?
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Post by dnic on Oct 10, 2023 9:28:22 GMT -6
I've seen this Fender tone master in other videos. Looks like a pedal board set up with a controller bar but all in one. I like it but I'm not popping 1700$ for it.
I had a Boss M-50. It's a multi effects processor. And it was a good pedal but The patches would change volume levels every time you plugged it in. That didn't work for me so it ended up being set on just three buttons and that worked ok. Then it died.
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Post by antares on Oct 11, 2023 7:19:23 GMT -6
"If I could get a box to sound like those Marshall, I would be very happy"
John you get some cracking good tones in your recordings. I imagine the artist is just always searching for that elusive something "extra" and coming up against a wall of diminishing returns?
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Oct 11, 2023 14:33:29 GMT -6
"If I could get a box to sound like those Marshall, I would be very happy" John you get some cracking good tones in your recordings. I imagine the artist is just always searching for that elusive something "extra" and coming up against a wall of diminishing returns? でつ e&oe ...Thanks for the kind words, Steve. I appreciate your listening to my recordings! The Search for the Marshall Grail (reminds me of Monty Python) seems to be never ending. Standing in front of and old tube (valve) Marshall head/4x12 combination evokes a certain emotion that is difficult to replicate with a solid state box and headphones. I know from my experience playing a big, loud rig makes me play differently and gets me really fired-up! Add to that mic'ing the cabinet and trying to get the power level steady is always a chore. I played through a newer Marshall DSL combo at a gig last Saturday, and it really sounded great. It sounded good enough not to use pedals and just bash the Strat even harder! John |
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