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Post by stratpurist on Jan 12, 2023 9:36:26 GMT -6
Just about everyone's favorite guitar player passed away on Tuesday. Ever since Truth and Beck-ola I have been a die hard fan. I admit that some of the fusion stuff was hard to understand at first but the 2010 Emotion and Commotion album is amazing. The Live at Ronnie Scott's concert DVD with Tal and Vinnie is a masterclass in electric guitar (IMHO).
Not to be too controversial but ... the black mark on his career is his last album from 2018 and subsequent concerts with the bloated dirtbag poser Johnny Depp. I'll never understand that career move (bad management?).
Any guesses as to who will be the next ultimate electric guitar player? Bonamassa, Gales, Govan ...
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Post by antares on Jan 12, 2023 10:52:19 GMT -6
He was possessed of a truly unique style, and was refreshingly self deprecating in a manner not generally encountered these days. He was probably my favourite contemporary guitar player too, but we all know there's no such thing as a G-O-A-T. That Ronnie Scott's gig is simply immense. The closing scene where he emulates the lost atmosphere of smokey clubs right at the end of "Where Were You" always gets me. youtu.be/howz7gVecjEIt is of some interest to me that Steve Vai and Joe Satch repeatedly tried to entice him onto a G3 tour, but he always declined. Their recognition of him was sufficient in and of itself I suppose, and whilst Jeff always put other musicians forward whenever he shared a stage with them, there's no doubt that it was always the Jeff Beck Show at the end of the day. I like Johnny Depp too, but I didn't know him and I never met him. My only way therefore to judge him (should I even desire to that) would be to do so based upon media speculation and the ensuant twitterings of hoi-poloi, which I refuse to do. I have little faith in the objectivity of "justice". What is indisputable is that his career was destroyed solely by accusations, and who's to say what the root cause of that might have been? I'm certainly not going to add to that rancid broth. There was a great deal of cash at stake in that stand off, and the odds were exponentially better than doing the lottery. Sure beats working in a factory ... Anyways- rest in peace Jeff. でつ e&oe ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 12:33:38 GMT -6
It's always sad to see someone go. He will be missed.
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Post by stratpurist on Jan 12, 2023 13:35:33 GMT -6
I like Johnny Depp too, but I didn't know him and I never met him. My only way therefore to judge him (should I even desire to that) would be to do so based upon media speculation and the ensuant twitterings of hoi-poloi, which I refuse to do. I have little faith in the objectivity of "justice". What is indisputable is that his career was destroyed solely by accusations, and who's to say what the root cause of that might have been? I'm certainly not going to add to that rancid broth. There was a great deal of cash at stake in that stand off, and the odds were exponentially better than doing the lottery. Sure beats working in a factory ... でつ e&oe ... When I refer to Depp as dirt bag poser - I mean as a guitar player.
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Post by antares on Jan 12, 2023 15:50:13 GMT -6
And I wouldn't cavil with that!
That said, we never really know what anyone's ultimate capabilities are judging by made available commercial recordings, we can only assess what they have chosen to make available to us. I've held that opinion since the 1970s when I was unsurprisingly derisory about (eg amongst others) the pop group "The Sweet", but I later discovered that their live shows were a whole other enchilada. We were just served up the ubiquitous pop junk on Top Of The Pops that formed the mainstream selling product.
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Post by Administrator on Jan 12, 2023 18:57:36 GMT -6
First, Jeff Beck was one of my favorites, and I've listened to his stuff since "Truth". A true giant of the guitar, and he will be missed.
Second, Johnny Depp is an interesting case...never quite understood that colloboration, either. That trial with Amber was crazy!
All guitar players should aspire to build the body of work Jeff Beck built - may never be topped!
I don't hear anyone now who is that inspiring. I do like the band "Polyphia" but I'm still trying to figure it out.
-for John who texted this to me.
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Post by dnic on Jan 12, 2023 19:27:54 GMT -6
I've been seeing clips of Jeff sence his passing. One of them was I saw before when he stopped back and let Tal take a solo. She is a truly great bassist. But the point is that Jeff was selfless enough and secure in his own right to let her shine and not hold her because of ego. That's really what impressed me about Jeff Beck. Never has been a question that he was a great guitarist.
On the question of what other guitarist are coming up the Q. I really like Eric Gales. He just about out Jimmi's Jimmi.
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Post by antares on Jan 13, 2023 3:35:55 GMT -6
Tim Henson of Polyphia is indeed amazing, but he actively eschews note bending and it kind of strips the life out of everything, like a machine is playing rudimentary MIDI. No modulation and it gets to be like clockwork.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 7:55:27 GMT -6
Seems a little odd to me how this post is supposed to be about yet another guitar player that has passed. And like so many posts, it is getting off into other players or other things.
Jeff Beck seems to have been a good person, in that I never saw an ego problem with him in interviews or on stage. In fact, he is lay back in most of his playing. There are a handful of players that are just like that in that they don't seem to have an ego problem. I like it when people on stage have no problem in sharing it.
Jeff Beck will be missed. Sad that he had gotten sick, and it got the best of him. I hope that his family and friends are handling things well.
My condolences go out to all of his family.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jan 13, 2023 8:06:32 GMT -6
Check this out..one of my favorite Jeff Beck videos with Imelda May doing “How High the Moon.” youtu.be/P9H0j17XTyAHe has Les Paul’s licks down pat. Joh
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jan 13, 2023 8:07:20 GMT -6
Tim Henson of Polyphia is indeed amazing, but he actively eschews note bending and it kind of strips the life out of everything, like a machine is playing rudimentary MIDI. No modulation and it gets to be like clockwork. でつ e&oe ...He makes fun of us Boomers for bending notes! John
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Post by dnic on Jan 13, 2023 8:24:32 GMT -6
Eddie, the OP asked the question, who would be the next ultimate guitar player. Don't think we've stayed to far in this regard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 9:06:08 GMT -6
Eddie, the OP asked the question, who would be the next ultimate guitar player. Don't think we've stayed to far in this regard. But still... I think that could be on another thread. I could list a few people that I think fit that bill. But not now. Did you see that Elvis's daughter just passed away? She was in her 50's. Oops. This about Jeff Beck.
Well, I know the question was asked. But I took it as a derogatory question.
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Post by antares on Jan 14, 2023 4:21:23 GMT -6
If anyone had Lester Polfuss's licks down it had to be Danny Gatton. After he abandoned The Magic Dingus Box because folks were saying he depended upon it, he still ripped up Les's technique with a Tele straight through an amp and with no electrickery at all. Indeed Ralph Heibutski's biography has it that Danny was knocked back because Les never directly acknowledged Danny's accomplishments, although it's trivial to find a clip of Les Paul doing exactly that on YouTube. >>>>Check this out..one of my favorite Jeff Beck videos with Imelda May doing “How High the Moon.” youtu.be/P9H0j17XTyAHe has Les Paul’s licks down pat. Joh>>>>> I had "How High The Moon" on a 78 RPM platter, well actually it was my parents's of course. Was it the "B" side? Edit: It has come to me now, it was "What is This Thing Called Love" B/W " How High The Moon" so yes, I believe it was originally a "B" side. After Dad passed, I was given what remained of that pile of acetate and immediately searched for HHTM, but sadly it wasn't there. As we all know, the fragile 78s were gone in the blink of an eye. Amongst the survivors was "The Ying Tong Song" by The Goons, which was some compensation I guess. I wanted to frame that HHTM disk and display it on the guitar room wall here. The difficulty with naming the new greats is the yardstick required to make a judgement. One unchanging parameter is notes per second, and while that is impressive the playing of the likes of Tim Henson and Tosen Abbasi is quite special, but inevitably subjectivity takes a grip in the subliminal desire for feeling, modulation, dynamics, melody, harmony and so on which gives us Art and notes per second don't count for so much there. It may be just me, but I find that the undeniably incredible technique of those guys leaves a bit of a void after a while and promotes a search for something that makes the hairs stand up on the back of your arms. I have found that such performers even now are just as likely to be found playing for change in a local bar as they are on a big stage. Or you can have Tommy Emmanuel of course! Full circle then and Danny improvising an all time classic standard's solo in a manner that we mortals can only dream of. Just try and keep up with what he's doing here; triple stop melodies, extended jazzy chord progressions, rapid lead lines, melodies played on harmonics, pedal steel bends behind the nut, bended double octave screamers using the Barden rail as a fret, low vibrato by bending the neck in its pocket, extended arpeggio progressions and so on. I think even Guthrie Goven would find this impossible to pastiche. This one is special for me. youtu.be/RyjtW-rvWoQStill, Eddie's thread is about the Young Türks whomever they may be ... でつ e&oe ...
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Post by stratpurist on Jan 14, 2023 10:20:51 GMT -6
As I pour through the JB tributes on youtube and FB I am reminded that his legacy beyond his technical expertise is his range in musical genres and his myriad collaborations. Pop records, Blues, Funk, Hard rock, Fusion, BeBop, Jazz, rockabilly, [what did I miss?].
Among current players one that may some day reach that level of respect is John Mayer.
finally, FWIW (not much) Lisa Marie was probably a better guitar player than Depp
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