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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 7:37:09 GMT -6
Seems like the "debate" we had here a long time ago was over three different types of neck construction and which was best. If I remember we had some folks that were really into their way. Which makes sense because once you find something you like you tend to be passionate about. But it was good natured and I don't remember anyone getting heated. So the three types are, one piece, (like Gibson) Laminated like I like and like what are using here Eddie. And scarf jointed. So my take away now from my own experience and from others as well is as follows. The rating is my own Laminate necks are my #1 go to neck. I think they are the strongest and best looking option. But if one just randomly glues up layers of wood without considering grain orientation then you could have a very bad neck on your hands. The scarf joint, very strong if well executed is my #2. And can even look pretty cool with some veneers added to the joint. Lots of companies use them with great success, such as Taylor guitars. I haven't used one in a long time but would worry at all about doing so. In fact I have two acoustic guitars coming up that will be scarf jointed to be more Martin like. #3 is the one piece Gibson style neck. Not that a one piece neck is a bad thing but not with the 14 to 17 degree headstock angle and a truss access cavity all working against it. And Gibson might even correct their error in that if the traditionalists would have ever let them. I haven't worked out what the angle on your neck is Eddie but I'll draw it out and report back. It looks like it might be 10 degrees which is great in my book. But less is ok as well. The one neck type I didn't address is the flat Fender style which Leo stole from Bigsby and Bigsby stole from someone else. Anyway these necks are an enigma. They really shouldn't work as well as they do. But they'er great and almost indestructible. And building them out of flat or quarter sawn maple doesn't really matter. They are typically very dependable although I have one customer that got a rubbery one.(for lack of a better word) The grain on that neck is at a steep angle to the length of the neck. He replaced with with one of my 24.75 conversion necks. This was all for fun feel free to have a different opinion. I feel pretty much the same as you. I like laminated necks. For me, a one piece neck is boring. None of my lam neck can you feel the lams as the guitar ages like some have said on YT. Does it happen? I am sure it does with some. I have not seen it or felt it on my necks. I am real careful how my lam necks go together. I look at the grains and alter them as needed.
The scarf joint can be a fun thing to do. I was going to do one, where, you put veneer between the cuts, But I haven't done it yet. It does take a little time and effort to do a scarf joint. For the most part, that is why I stopped using them.
As far as the flat peg head goes... I have done many of them. They are easy to make. I did have one come to me a long time with the same thing as you had said. The peg head was bending. It was a Fender neck. I wound up getting another neck for it. Because they guy wanted it to be all Fender. But if the peg head was bendy, it made me wonder how many times he had to have the truss rod adjusted.
Like I said on the angle, I have done many with less angle on them. They all work well. I like to get away with less. I do think that they are stronger than a huge angle. The last neck through I just did has a small angle on it. It may be at a 7%. A lot of times it really depends on my neck blank in how I do the angle. But I would say that most of the necks I make are like the one in the pictures.
Thanks for help on the angle. I am not good at math, and figuring out how much an angle is drives me nuts. So I don't even try. LOL! This is why it takes me so long to build a guitar. I don't do well with numbers. HA! But I have gotten some better over the years.
EB
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Post by dnic on Feb 4, 2023 9:57:16 GMT -6
The guys at Texas Toast use a 7degree headstock angle. It's works well with their system and the rough size of the neck blank. Matt says Dan Armstrong (of clear plastic guitars) used a 7degree angle as well.
I say build guitars and have fun. And you will be the first to know if there is a design flaw.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 13:14:38 GMT -6
The guys at Texas Toast use a 7degree headstock angle. It's works well with their system and the rough size of the neck blank. Matt says Dan Armstrong (of clear plastic guitars) used a 7degree angle as well. I say build guitars and have fun. And you will be the first to know if there is a design flaw. I had 3 guitars that went all wrong on me. I wound up cutting 3 of them up. The other one wound up as wall art. Noting went right on them. You all know I don't give up on a project all that easy.
One of them, the body did a cupping thing where the neck and body join. I put 3 set necks on it. After the 3rd time, enough was enough. I still don't know what was wrong with the wood. Everything would look good until a strung it up and would sit for 3 months and the body would begin to bend right the neck joint. On one neck I had almost 1" action. Well, that guitar got cut up and used a fire wood.
2 of the other ones, the neck twisted. One was a neck through, the other a set neck. One of the was one piece swamp ash. It, too, wound up being cut up. Not only did the neck twist, but the body cracked in 3 places. It was not worth trying to fix.
The other one was a hallow body guitar. The top wound up caving in on it. Yes, I was braced. I didn't even try and fix it. Cut it up and used the maple on the BBQ.
So things do happen. Not all of them work as planned. That is when things are not fun. Lost a lot of money in wood.
EB
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Post by dnic on Feb 4, 2023 21:25:28 GMT -6
I've been pretty lucky in this regard. Even though a lot of my wood is cut from downed trees locally they have been very dry when I get the slabs and then acclimate in my shop. Sometimes for years.
I've had wood react when I cut it and start to size things up. I they move very much they are not a contender for a guitar and go in the neighbors wood pile.
The only thing I've had move/ twist was the neck for the ES-335 client build. That I was ip against a deadline on, of course. It was a lam neck but after it twisted I checked the grain orientation and I had glued one main board the wrong way. And I paid for it.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Feb 7, 2023 11:50:15 GMT -6
I've been pretty lucky in this regard. Even though a lot of my wood is cut from downed trees locally they have been very dry when I get the slabs and then acclimate in my shop. Sometimes for years. I've had wood react when I cut it and start to size things up. I they move very much they are not a contender for a guitar and go in the neighbors wood pile. The only thing I've had move/ twist was the neck for the ES-335 client build. That I was ip against a deadline on, of course. It was a lam neck but after it twisted I checked the grain orientation and I had glued one main board the wrong way. And I paid for it. Dane -- Thanks for this. Question: Do you have a favorite glue when gluing up the blanks? Also, do you set up the neck so the grain of the center piece is opposite the outside pieces? Thanks John
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 12:07:20 GMT -6
I've been pretty lucky in this regard. Even though a lot of my wood is cut from downed trees locally they have been very dry when I get the slabs and then acclimate in my shop. Sometimes for years. I've had wood react when I cut it and start to size things up. I they move very much they are not a contender for a guitar and go in the neighbors wood pile. The only thing I've had move/ twist was the neck for the ES-335 client build. That I was ip against a deadline on, of course. It was a lam neck but after it twisted I checked the grain orientation and I had glued one main board the wrong way. And I paid for it. Dane -- Thanks for this. Question: Do you have a favorite glue when gluing up the blanks? I'm not Dane, But I use Titebond for everything in my glue ups.Also, do you set up the neck so the grain of the center piece is opposite the outside pieces? I do in all my lam necks. I will even cut a small amount off the end or sand the end to make sure I am looking at the grain and not saw marks. I have talked about this in my videos and think Dane has too. Maybe when I do another video of this build, I will try and bring this up. EBThanks John
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Post by dnic on Feb 7, 2023 19:13:20 GMT -6
I've been pretty lucky in this regard. Even though a lot of my wood is cut from downed trees locally they have been very dry when I get the slabs and then acclimate in my shop. Sometimes for years. I've had wood react when I cut it and start to size things up. I they move very much they are not a contender for a guitar and go in the neighbors wood pile. The only thing I've had move/ twist was the neck for the ES-335 client build. That I was ip against a deadline on, of course. It was a lam neck but after it twisted I checked the grain orientation and I had glued one main board the wrong way. And I paid for it. Dane -- Thanks for this. Question: Do you have a favorite glue when gluing up the blanks? Also, do you set up the neck so the grain of the center piece is opposite the outside pieces? Thanks John John, I typically use the original Titebond. The red label stuff. But I have use fish glue and it works well. Titebond is less expensive and as you know widely used in guitar making. I use wood as closely quarter sawn as possible. So the big pieces if there is run out in the grain ( rift sawn ) I oppose the grain in them. It would be very easy to show this in a picture. Kind of hard with words. The center most piece I want to be as close to quarter sawn as well. And depending on how many laminates there are you will have smaller piece and I don't consider them to be as much as an issue.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Feb 9, 2023 16:27:26 GMT -6
Thanks Dane. We went through the Fish Glue thing for a while. Still use it on some specific vintage reapairs.
I've been using the red-label Tite-Bond for years, and it has always been very dependable.
Thanks for the knowledge.
John
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 13:37:38 GMT -6
To let you all know. I won't be posting for a while. Do to some things going on in my life, I am unable to work on guitars.
I did post about this, but it was taken down. I just wanted you all to know that I have not disappeared.
So, it will be a while before I can post again. Again, I didn't want anyone thinking something had happened to me. I'll be back as soon as some things change. Right now, I am taking care of my wife. She is more important to me than anything else.
See you all later on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 12:10:29 GMT -6
Hey there! Well, my wife is doing better. I got to spend some time with our son and spend some time out in the shop.
Our son has now gone home. But today I went out to the shop to clean it up and put some things away that I left out on tables.
My son brought me a good used table saw. It is more on the lines of a commercial one. Super heavy. 10" blade. I cleaned it up and need to do some oiling. It will be a nice addition to the shop.
While my son was here, he made me a new leather logo for the Eagle Amp. I did a real short video of it and is posted on YouTube. He also made me a few sheaves for my knifes. They look awesome!
So, I'll be back out in the shop. The weather here has changed for the better. I'll also be getting my garden ready for planting next month.
Well, I just wanted to check in. Be seeing ya! EB
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Post by dnic on Feb 21, 2023 19:15:27 GMT -6
Good to hear your wife is doing better.
Adding a good table saw to the mix is great.
My weather here is snow stormy now and for the next couple weeks. According to folks that are hardly ever right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 14:40:49 GMT -6
Good to hear your wife is doing better. Adding a good table saw to the mix is great. My weather here is snow stormy now and for the next couple weeks. According to folks that are hardly ever right. We are in the 80s this week. I think we are pretty much done with the cold. But you never know from one day to the next. EB
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2023 13:17:32 GMT -6
Well, I am back on the P90 guitar. Getting ready to put the truss rod in.
Getting the router ready.
I like to drill a starter hole to help line up the router.
Clamping the neck blank into place.
Got the router all lined up. Ready to rout the slot for the truss rod. I do this in 3 steps. I learned a long time ago not to try and do this in one pass.
The truss rod in ow in. The one thing I had to do is make the truss rod adjustment bigger so that the truss rod will go all the way in. I have two sizes for the bits to pull this off. Truss rod fits just fine!
Next up will be the cutting of the peg head angle.
It was good to be out in the shop yet again. But I had one of my attacks right after putting the truss rod. I had to quit for the day. I'll try and get back on the guitar build later on this week. It takes me a day or two to recover.
This build may be my last one I do. I know I have said that in the past, but things are not going so well for me. But I am excited to get this one going again.
EB
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Post by dnic on Mar 6, 2023 9:50:03 GMT -6
That looks very good Eddie. That pilot hole is in perfect alignment!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 6:53:44 GMT -6
OK, it is official, I have to change course with the P90 build. Here is what's going on;
Don't know if you all remember, but the wood I used for the body is some wood that came from a few trees that had fallen here in the property where I live. The landlady's son had the logs cut down into slabs. I bought some of that wood from him. I made the body for this project out of that wood.
Well, He liked the guitar body so much that he wanted to know if we could work out a deal for the guitar. So, I did just that. I will be trading the guitar for a shot gun. A real nice shot gun. So he wants chrome pickups put in it along with everything else being chrome. So that is what he is going to get.
But don't be alarmed, I'll use the P90s on another up-and-coming build. I did buy some more slabs off him the other day. The spalt on them is not the same as the one on this build. But will still be cool for the P90s. The new P90 build will happen later on in the year.
So now I have to make a video telling how things have changed for this P90 build. But I need to get this build back on trace to get it done in the next 2 to 3 months. If not sooner. LOL! The thing is I need to get it done pretty fast because the guy I am making for like to change his mind. So I need to get on it, so I can send him pictures to keep his interest going.
EB
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