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Post by dnic on Nov 10, 2022 8:16:38 GMT -6
Here we gooooooooooo!
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Post by antares on Nov 10, 2022 8:47:40 GMT -6
Just seen it Eddie. That's really some figuring in that timber!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 10:31:10 GMT -6
Just seen it Eddie. That's really some figuring in that timber! でつ e&oe ...There is a lot going on with it, that's for sure. The only other wood I had on a guitar was splatted maple. that also had some fame in it. That wood was on the guitar you sent me that cool eagle truss rod cover for.
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Post by antares on Jan 11, 2023 12:24:21 GMT -6
Eddie I suspect that you'd need to incorporate a separate pre-amp to run it along side the vanilla pickups. That further implies a low voltage supply, either on board with the complication of a bug hutch cover for access to replace the battery when exhausted, or via a stereo cable. I've contemplated this myself and indeed I bought one of those piezos that you have, but I don't think I'd bother because it's a series of hurdles before you get to the stage where you are able to establish whether you like it. I know that commercially built guitars are available with a piezo bridge and I'd say let those companies go for it. All that said, I know that Eddie on a mission can achieve wonders and I hereby fall back from judging others by my standards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 13:29:58 GMT -6
Eddie I suspect that you'd need to incorporate a separate pre-amp to run it along side the vanilla pickups. That further implies a low voltage supply, either on board with the complication of a bug hutch cover for access to replace the battery when exhausted, or via a stereo cable. I've contemplated this myself and indeed I bought one of those piezos that you have, but I don't think I'd bother because it's a series of hurdles before you get to the stage where you are able to establish whether you like it. I know that commercially built guitars are available with a piezo bridge and I'd say let those companies go for it. All that said, I know that Eddie on a mission can achieve wonders and I hereby fall back from judging others by my standards. でつ e&oe ...I used to have one like the top picture that I bought from Stew Mac way back in the day when Stew Mac used to send out their catalog. Before the internet and computers. LOL! I installed it on one of my Strats. I loved that guitar! Don't know why I sold it, but I did for one reason or another. It was a plug and play. It sounded so good to mix it with other pickups. I had an acoustic and electric thing going on.
Some of the PRS guitars have that bridge in them. But you might be right on the other under the bridge, mount pickup. I may, would need an onboard pre-amp to help boost the signal. I know if I get the right one for under the bridge, I may not have to. I have installed a lot of these over the years. Some I did a pre-amp on them and some I didn't. I remember one that I installed a pre-amp at a customer's request, that I hooked up to the output jack and that acoustic was so sensitive and loud. On the PA board, they would have that guitar on 1 or 2 volume wise, and it was still really loud. I was always going to put a volume control on it, But I left AZ before I could.
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Post by antares on Jan 11, 2023 16:41:37 GMT -6
Back in the day I installed a piezo under the bridge plate on my Takamine "lawsuit" dread. I could get my arm through the soundhole to drive the supplied tiny screw home, but I can't reach it now. I guess that's what sheet metal work did to my forearm! Point is, it sounded awful through the guitar amp. Maybe a PA with suitable EQ would have worked better. I've long since arrived at the conclusion that a decent large diaphragm condenser or a vanilla SM57 (and the skill to be able to "work" the mic.) is the way to go with acoustics. Adding that flavour to an electric is a different matter of course. I find that often you need to scratch that itch to arrive at the same conclusion as others, but at least you can then speak from experience. でつ e&oe ...
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Post by dnic on Jan 11, 2023 19:19:25 GMT -6
I don't think an under saddle piezo will work on the t bridge. They need a very flat even slot and flat even bridge to work properly in an acoustic. I'm not sure how a T bridge saddle would load the piezo. Two little screws from each saddle digging onto the strip.
They do, somebody does sell individual pies saddles for f style guitars. Then you just have to discreetly get the wires into the control cavity.
That TOM bridge with them built in looks like a good way to go.
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Post by antares on Jan 12, 2023 4:16:54 GMT -6
I knew that Dane, but I just went off in the wrong direction. D'oh ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 7:50:56 GMT -6
I did think about that. But I was thinking of mounting the strip under the bridge itself, not under the saddles. It would act more like a mic. When used under a saddle in an acoustic, the bridge lays across the pickup. The pickup picks up the vibration from across the whole bridge, not just one string at a time. So in my thinking I don't see how it would not work.
I have had saddles that are wired like I used on my start years ago. On a Strat it's not hard to use them. The wires go through the opening of the trim. The hard part is soldering it all together. LOL!
I also know in a semi hallow body they will use the disk type pickups by the bridge and in other spots of the top to get the acoustic sound. I could do that if I made the body hallow. But for this build, it's too late. It is a solid body.
For me, it will be hard to pay the $200.00 price tag for the bridge in the top picture. One way or another, I will figure this out. Stew Mac does not sell this anymore, at least I can't find it on their website.
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Post by dnic on Jan 12, 2023 8:50:32 GMT -6
I'd be very interested to see if under the bridge plate would work. You could do an experiment on a board without messing up a guitar body. I would still route a slot to set the piezo in just a little proud of the wood. Good pressure but not a lump for the bridge to rock on. Let me know what happens. If I had one laying around I'd do it myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 12:35:50 GMT -6
I'd be very interested to see if under the bridge plate would work. You could do an experiment on a board without messing up a guitar body. I would still route a slot to set the piezo in just a little proud of the wood. Good pressure but not a lump for the bridge to rock on. Let me know what happens. If I had one laying around I'd do it myself. Yep! Need to try it out. I will as soon as the weather here gets better. LOL! EB
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 9:52:09 GMT -6
Here is an interesting video of a transducer being used in a build. Kind of what I was thinking if I was going to a semi hallow body. I am thinking that my idea with the acoustic pickup under the bridge should work like a transducer.
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Post by dnic on Jan 13, 2023 19:19:05 GMT -6
Good video, I didn't really like the tonality with the piezo by itself. Although EQ would probably fix that. The neck pup on it's own was by far the best sound. IMHO
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Post by antares on Jan 14, 2023 4:56:40 GMT -6
Yes it was a good video. I was expecting to see piezo related content and was nonplussed at first, but I was soon hooked on watching and marvelling at the wood working. That said, whilst I was charged up with waiting to see the finished result I didn't really connect with it. The neck pickup was my preference too and the piezo, whilst it was OK I guess, left me feeling that it's not really worth the effort other than to get it out of your system so to speak. YMMV etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 9:26:04 GMT -6
The thing on the video to me was that even in the place they put the pickup, it did work. Could it have been done better? I think so. They took the easy way out. I was surprised at how well the placement of the pickup did work. It's not even close to the bridge. I wonder if one was to take and inlay that pickup under the bridge, how well it would work? Hum... I have a bunch of these I used to use on some of my cigar box guitars. I may try them out too.
A lot of times sound is in the EQ of things. I find that a lot of people do not know how to EQ any sound. Many times I see people on PA's that use a lot of mids on everything. Too much mids on a voice can make the voice sound like they are in a tin can. Same on guitars. Guitars can sound supper thin really fast with over the top mids.
I would get upset at a so called sound tech at my church because he would always puss the mids up to the top. NOT good! He would always have problems with feed back, I would try and teach him, but he thought that he knew it all. He would say that there was something wrong with the system.
It took me a while to learn how to operate a PA and get the best sound. But I did get good at it. So good, I was being hired all the time to set up sound for all kinds of events. I used to do concerts with my sound system. People would hire me to do their concerts because they liked how I did the sound, and they knew I would make them sound the best they could sound. A sound tech can make or break a band.
So in this video it comes down to the sound. It's another one of them videos (like so many) That all of us are supposed to know how to do. We are all supposed to be good at making something sound good. Not everyone has that ability to do so. Like making good videos or build a great guitar or even sing or play guitar. But yet we are expected to know how.
So don't be too hard on the person that made the video. If we never experimented on ideas... Then think where we all would be these days if no one ever tried out something. LOL We may never have had a car to drive. Or even a horse and buggy. Nor TV's to watch and so on, and so on.
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