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Feb 7, 2022 11:45:29 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 11:45:29 GMT -6
To let you know Dane I no longer use PIO caps. But I still like them in some guitars. Mostly Jazz guitars. The thing with PIO caps is that they too have to be tested. Not all are equal. I still have a few guitars with then in it. I have play them in videos that you even said sounded great! LOL!
I have always told people over many years play the guitar that sing to ya! The one the feels good to you. When it's all said and done It's not what I like but what the person likes that owns the guitar. Just like me and my 71 LP custom. I love that guitar no mater how many say they don't like the fret less wonder. I like it and that is all that matters.
I have had people tell me they hate Teles. But that has never stopped me form owing or making them. I don't like pointy guitars and won't own one. I have had a few over the years but only because I knew I could flip them. Now some did play great and sound great but not keepers for me.
Yes, people can spend all they want on a guitar. But at the same time I have also seen people spend a lot of money on guitars that own them for a short time and then want to sell them for what they gave for them. Not going to happen in many cases. I have had people call me wanting to sell me their rigs they bough 4 months prior and want to sell them because they found out that guitar playing was not for them. They could afford (credit) to buy the rig with the guitar, but because they could buy the best did not say they would become the best over night. So many people think if the buy a high end guitars and amp they think they should be able to play in a week or less. LOL!
It has taken me a long time to get the sound that I like. Gone through many, many pedals and amps as well as guitars. Not all guitars inspire me to play. Some guitars make me upset to play them. Don't know why they just do ans so they don't stay around to long.
As far as cheap guitar and high end guitars. I sell more of the under $500.00 guitar than any other. I have sold a lot of Tele guitars over the years. They sell the fastest. Both low end and high end. Most of the sell the same day listed. 2 Days max. I had someone the other day contact me wanting to buy a Tele. But I have none for sale at this time. I do own some but I don't want to sell them. Also it does not seem to matter to much about the condition of the Tele. Of it's a Squire or USA or anything between. I only wish that other guitars sold as easy as a Tele guitar.
I also have been in retail a lot of years. Been a salesman of many things. Seen the market go for one extreme to another. But if there is one thing I have learned in the years, is not to under sell yourself. When I owned my print shop. I had many people wanting me to under sell my products. It did not happen. I would never lessen my prices. I was not a swap meet. You don't go to your doctor or to the hospital and ask for discount. I find to many people will drop their prices faster than dropping their underwear to go to the bathroom. This is not a good thing to have happen if you are in business and trying to make a profit so that you can pay employees and pay for taxes and all of your over head. You will be out of business in no time. Seen it over and over again.
The thing is once people see you will come down in price they will always expect it. It is super hard to get out of that once one goes down that road. I took that printing business form $3,500.00 a month to over $80,000.00 a month in less than 6 months. I never once dropped my prices. For one I was good at what I did. Two I offered things that no one else was. Number one? I gave my customers top of the services. If they had a problem with anything I did for them I was quick to solve it. Not give them a bunch of excuses like so many do today. I went above and beyond what other print shops were doing.
I have lived by them rules for a super long time. I have never been upset to loose a deal on anything because of the way I do business. Yes the market may be all over the pace. But is that because of the way things are or is the way people do business?
When I work on guitars, I do not come down on the price. Even if someone says to me that can get so and so down the street to do it cheaper. I tell them that is where they belong then. Many time these same people come back when they find out that so and so down the street was more expensive or they were weeks out to get their guitar back. Hum...
Today if people want me to work on there guitars or amps, I do let them know upfront that I work on them as I can because of my health problems. Does it cost me some jobs? Yes. But I will do my best to get the items back in a week or less depending on the work. Now fixing cracked tops and or broken necks and so on does take some time. But I am doing more set up and changing strings or cleaning pots on guitars and amps. So far not to many argue prices with me. I will work with people on making payments if need be. I don't over charge but at the same time I never under charge for my work. Not going to give it away. I know that there is not to many places here in town that they can get good guilty work done for the prices I charge. So far all the work I have done here in AL the people seem to be happy with my work.
I too had gone to collage and took business management. There are still things I learned in them classes I have use throughout my life in business and they worked. Some did not work. Yes once you get out into the real world you find out what works and what does not. There are many short cuts that are not tough in collage. But that is another subject.
Guitars to me is a way of life to me. Not, in the fact of making money but in the fact that is about the music. Yes it does help to have the instrument that sing to you and with you. But guitars will always hold something in me that nothing else in life has. They have become a part of who I am. I know for many they are only objects. Gear and hold nothing to many that own them. They have no real life to them except the life we give to them through our playing. They are only wood, metal and some stings with pickups. But to me there is nothing like a guitar. It has mystery and adventure hidden in them. That can only be released once the player picks it up and plays it. Just think of all of the unexplored possibility's in music that have not been tapped into... WOW! If you are ever in New Orleans Go and see the street musicians and see the instruments they are playing. It may change your mind on what we think of guitars and other instruments. Most of these people are not playing on high end instruments. Some of the guitars are lucky to have all 6 stings, and most of them strings have been on that guitar for a really long time. But yet these people are having fun and they can make their instrument sound amazing.
In life we all need to get out and really see and hear what is going on beyond the internet and people we do business with. If one likes to invest in vintage guitars (and I mean real vintage guitars, not what some labeled as such." That's good on it's own. But if one is a player then play, have fun, and don't worry who the guitar is made by and how much it cost. A name is only a name it does not make one play or sound any better.
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Feb 7, 2022 18:35:43 GMT -6
Post by dnic on Feb 7, 2022 18:35:43 GMT -6
Eddie? You don't use PIO caps anymore? And not even and update. Here I was fearful over nothing.
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Feb 7, 2022 20:53:51 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 20:53:51 GMT -6
Eddie? You don't use PIO caps anymore? And not even and update. Here I was fearful over nothing. I stopped using them a while back. But I just did a video on my 335 that has the PIO caps. I posted it on the forum. EBCG |
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Post by antares on Feb 8, 2022 3:25:17 GMT -6
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Feb 8, 2022 5:46:23 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 5:46:23 GMT -6
I watched this yesterday. His videos really make one go hum... EBCG |
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Feb 8, 2022 8:17:48 GMT -6
Post by dnic on Feb 8, 2022 8:17:48 GMT -6
I only got to watch the first few minutes yesterday. But I'm back on the job. This guy is a pro player but just like most of the world C-19 shut down gigs and he been pretty quite on his channel. |
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Feb 8, 2022 8:35:49 GMT -6
Post by dnic on Feb 8, 2022 8:35:49 GMT -6
I love that with two videos of basic logic he has the blown the doors off years of voodoo. Although people will believe what they want to believe. it gives them cool stuff to talk about.
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Post by antares on Feb 8, 2022 9:32:03 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the capacitor(s) shoot-out!
Edit: I guess it's best to keep an open mind all the while worshipping at the shrine of Doubting Thomas? When I wired my Gatton "tribute" Tele, I enquired at Joe Barden's website about 4-way switch wiring, I forget in what context though. Joe replied that I should just wire it bog standard Tele so I took his (sage) advice, but- I put in a 1 Meg potentiometer as I understood that Danny used. It sounded awful. I substituted 250K and all was well once more. Now to me, resistance is resistance and all it meant was a change in where I set the pot to achieve required resistance in the circuit, but boy would I have lost that bet. I'm not talking about subtle or subjective variations here, it was in your face night and day.
Sorry but for me capacitors are another matter though.
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Feb 8, 2022 10:08:00 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 10:08:00 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the capacitor(s) shoot-out! Edit: I guess it's best to keep an open mind all the while worshipping at the shrine of Doubting Thomas? When I wired my Gatton "tribute" Tele, I enquired at Joe Barden's website about 4-way switch wiring, I forget in what context though. Joe replied that I should just wire it bog standard Tele so I took his (sage) advice, but- I put in a 1 Meg potentiometer as I understood that Danny used. It sounded awful. I substituted 250K and all was well once more. Now to me, resistance is resistance and all it meant was a change in where I set the pot to achieve required resistance in the circuit, but boy would I have lost that bet. I'm not talking about subtle or subjective variations here, it was in your face night and day. Sorry but for me capacitors are another matter though. でつ e&oe ...It has been a long while, but I remember when a lot of people where switching to 1 meg pots. I too tried it one time and found out that it was not for me. I have found out over the years to use 250k for single coils and 500k for humbuckers works the best for me. In fact on my new build I will be using 250k for the neck single coil and 500k for the wide range in the bridge. No tone pots, no switch as well. But I did make the control cavity big enough so If I need to I can add those later on. But I don't think I'll be needing them. I have a few guitars that have volume only for the pickups and I like the sounds I get form them. The Guitar Attack guitar is one of them.
I find the tone caps can help in some guitars to help tame them down. Sometime though I wounder why some people even have them in their guitars. Most people turn the tone pots all the way up. By then there is little if no resistance there. So the cap is not working like ti should.
Dane and I have said this many times "Tone" is subjective. And like you found out the Pots can and do make up a lot of difference in the sound of a guitar. This of course is only one place that it can and does. I can now after many years hear the difference between cheap pots and better ones. I have use enough of them... LOL!
People will always believe and do what they want. It's like when people get cough red handed on video and then say that, "that's not me" and yet they are on video. You can show people over and over again... And tell them what is good and bad about anything. But in the end it is they that have to decide. Hum...
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Feb 8, 2022 19:27:13 GMT -6
Post by dnic on Feb 8, 2022 19:27:13 GMT -6
I think one meg pots are normal in active systems. but the circuit is designed around those values.
I'm one of those guys that leaves the tone wide open most of the time. But I also wired guitars with blower switches so I can bypass any interference or coloration from the tone circuit. And they do make a diff. So much so that one guitar I built my customer took to the local repair shop and asked him to make not so bright. They didn't realize the tone knob wide open bypassed the tone circuit. All that needs to happen was to roll it back a bit to sound like a normal tone circuit.
I also wired one of my regulars tele with a four way. I think the deal there is bridge. middle, neck then both pickups in series. I don't know it's one way with SC and the other way with Hummers. He didn't like it we went back to a 3 way switch.
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Post by antares on Feb 9, 2022 4:07:58 GMT -6
Hmm. I thought actives had really low value pots like 50K or so? I'll have to review that assumption. I do have the four way switch in my 'Esquire" Dane and it's a good option in my subjective opinion. There is a slight gotcha in that the neck pickup is left "hanging from hot" in the bridge pup switch position but with all the twang on tap it hadn't perturbed me at all. I have a high output GFS Tele neck pup hidden beneath the pickguard. It loses too much volume in the neck pickup switch position due to excessive separation from the strings, but it's OK by me in the series and parallel modes. And yep- I'm another guy that leaves the tone with no cut indeed that Esquire has a "no-load" tone pot to achieve the same end as a "blower" switch. She's an old girl now, and with her bespoke Riger Giffin neck and body together with her 1955 Tele bridge pup, that "Esquire" is an interesting guitar, It's lying on the sofa right now as I've been playing it (unamplified!) for at least a week now. I've been figuring out "Step Inside Love" ... youtu.be/7KyvGnJn5MsWell I guess I get to derail my own thread huh? でつ e&oe ... |
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Feb 9, 2022 8:43:28 GMT -6
Post by dnic on Feb 9, 2022 8:43:28 GMT -6
Steve I just looked it up. 25k is the most common pot for active pups. I just remembered that there was big difference in pot value associated with actives pups. Sorry, I don't to pass on miss information. Thanks for keeping it real Steve.
Cool song! I like that Brazil 66 feel.
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Feb 9, 2022 9:46:01 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 9:46:01 GMT -6
I have one Tele with a 4 way switch in it. I love it! I have also owned and done other 4 ways for customers over the years. Foe me it's one of my favorite things to do to a Tele.
Not a big fan of active pickups. For one every time I took a guitar with them in on a gig I found myself replacing batteries. One reason I don't like most electric acoustic guitars. If you leave them plugged it to long you will be replacing the battery. Go ahead ask me how I know! LOL!
I have use the pots that shut off the tone circuit as well. That is a cool feature to have on board. But at the same time I have found there is nothing like going direct and not having a pot in the mix of things. But that is my way I like to do things.
The one of the things I have learned in guitar making is that there is so many ways of doing a guitar. Again depends on what people like and their experience with guitars. By now I have done and redone so many guitars, that nothing really excites me.
I have done so many ways of wiring a guitar. I have owned so many pedals and amps of all kinds. Even experimented with cables. Done all this to end up with I want to plug into an amp and play.
But, and it's a big BUT! I am looking at the Fender mini amp the plugs into the guitar and you use a head set. I just might pull the plug and get one. If I like it, I may end up selling my amps. I no longer play out and I can use the plug in and go to my computer to make recordings. From what I can tell it sound pretty decent and they don't take up room. Something to think about.
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Feb 9, 2022 12:16:21 GMT -6
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Feb 9, 2022 12:16:21 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the capacitor(s) shoot-out! Edit: I guess it's best to keep an open mind all the while worshipping at the shrine of Doubting Thomas? When I wired my Gatton "tribute" Tele, I enquired at Joe Barden's website about 4-way switch wiring, I forget in what context though. Joe replied that I should just wire it bog standard Tele so I took his (sage) advice, but- I put in a 1 Meg potentiometer as I understood that Danny used. It sounded awful. I substituted 250K and all was well once more. Now to me, resistance is resistance and all it meant was a change in where I set the pot to achieve required resistance in the circuit, but boy would I have lost that bet. I'm not talking about subtle or subjective variations here, it was in your face night and day. Sorry but for me capacitors are another matter though. でつ e&oe ...Steve -- I went through a 1 Meg pot phase. I finally A/B'd one with a set of P-90s and 500k pot and I found them to be very "ice picky" and bright. Leo Fender loved them in some circuits. I think there are good applications but for most folks 250k and 500k pots are great. John |
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Post by antares on Feb 9, 2022 12:57:53 GMT -6
I cannot remember what was so off-putting about the 1 meg pot with the original Joe Barden pickups John, but it wasn't because it was "ice-picky". As I said, I can't remember but I suspect that I may have used it as a volume pot, but I'm thinking you may have tried A-B-ing with tone pots? That "no load" pot is in my "Esquire". You can make your own no load pot if you attack the track with an exacto knife if you're careful enough, but I've never tried because I'm not confident in getting the thing back together again nice and tight.
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