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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 10:05:10 GMT -6
I was on You Tube this morning. There is a guy on there that made a video of some rub on finishes. The one he picked on first is the one I like to use on most of my guitars. Tung oil finish. He was so off base about it. I did tell him so. I now have guitars that are from 15 to 20 years old that I have used this finish on. Anything from dull to glass look finishes. It has never come off any of the guitars. Nor do or have I ever had to reapply the finish as time goes on. That was some of his words. the thing is any guitars finish will wear off over time.
I see so many video, were people post them and they try and make it look like that they some kind of expert on any subject. The fact is I don't think anyone is a real expert on anything. Just because that person has had bad results does not mean a product is bad. To me he does not know what he is talking about. To often I see videos of people going on about stuff that in the real world just is not true.
When it comes to rub on finishes (I have tried a lot of them) there is a learning curve. And because you have a bad issue in a one time use does not mean it was a bad product. Every product I have used I have used more than once. In fact I have used them 5 times or more. I know I have to use them more than once to find out if I like or not. For me, I am not a True oil fan. I used that stuff in the beginning of my guitar making. I just didn't like it. I know a lot of people like it and that fine. I always say do what works best for you.
So what do you think? I am thinking of making a video showing some of my guitars that I have done in the Tung oil finish. I want to show people that it's not a bad product to use on guitars.
OH, the other thing is why are people in such a hurry to have a finish dry so fast? The guy in the video was going on and on about how fast some of the product dry. Hum... EB
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Post by dnic on Dec 6, 2021 23:45:25 GMT -6
I don't mind a good rant now and then Eddie. There is a lot of miss info on YT. Or just people going off like experts because it gets them views. There was a guy I mentioned a few years back that did some hackery to a cheap guitar. I ripped him a new for giving people the idea that It's not important to do good work just because it was a cheap guitar. Then all the fan boys ripped me a new one.
And everybody is in a hurry when it comes to finishes. Myself included. just about everything in my shop has to stop while I finish a guitar. Because of dust or smell, so I'm always looking for a faster process with great results. I think the water based thing I'm doing right now is a big pain in the back side.
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Post by antares on Dec 7, 2021 4:01:13 GMT -6
I recall someone said "Everyone is famous for fifteen minutes"? (Andy whowasit?) and in my own silly hippie way I think of it as "Everyone is a legend in their own lunchbox" (lifetime, natch), and t'interweb has fascilitated that to the extent of removing the corporate filters that screened out the wheat from the chaff back in the 1960s through to the 1990s. In other words, the common denominator is now at its nadir. The thing to do is not try to swim against it, run with it and apply the filter between your ears and behind your eyes. There's a reason why I subscribe to you guys' channels ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 11:05:45 GMT -6
I don't mind a good rant now and then Eddie. There is a lot of miss info on YT. Or just people going off like experts because it gets them views. There was a guy I mentioned a few years back that did some hackery to a cheap guitar. I ripped him a new for giving people the idea that It's not important to do good work just because it was a cheap guitar. Then all the fan boys ripped me a new one. And everybody is in a hurry when it comes to finishes. Myself included. just about everything in my shop has to stop while I finish a guitar. Because of dust or smell, so I'm always looking for a faster process with great results. I think the water based thing I'm doing right now is a big pain in the back side. On the finishing thing. I have seen videos of the big boys (name brand guitars) will let their guitars hang for around a year before they finish putting them together. Most of the is to let the finish cure all the way. I try and help so many people that rush the finish to end up in disaster. It's all because they won't wait for the finish to cure. I always get this..." but it says on the can"... I don't always go by the can anymore. I figure what Is on the can is a guideline.
On the tung oil finish that I use, I think I have more than proven that it is as good as anything else out there. The guy that put up the video got on to me for saying... " most people don't know how to use the product"... I told him that on every product out there, there is a learning curve. Most people don't want to learn. they are what I call users. They use something, can't get it to work on the first try and they are done with it. I have to wonder if the old wood makers of the past rushed their builds? Because back then we had no quick dry products around, and many of the finishes they use they came up with on their own. They could not go to the store and buy it.
I do understand what you are saying Dane. But I feel that we all have lost some of the craft of wood working, no mater if it's guitars or other wise. When I first started this guitar stuff. I remember how I would rush the finish and end up taking it off and starting all over. Now, I take my time and if I use a spray on I let it sit for a long while before I mess with it. The Tung oil I use drys or cures pretty fast and it has a little smell but not all that bad. I can bring in my work into the house for the night. It does not over whelm ya! Like lacquer can.
But again we all do what we like and use what works best for us... Right?
YT yes I got into it with a few people about the "tone wood" thing when it comes to slab guitars. The issue on that for me is, I have made and worked on to many guitars to say that wood makes a difference. Sure anyone can take any wood and tap on it and it will sound different form other woods and even the same wood will ring off differently. But, when one takes that wood and makes into a slab guitar... Hum... So, now I use wood and I don't look or try and prove is there is a difference. And really who really cares? Once you plug in (and many use pedals) Where does the tone of that wood go? Do some woods vibrate more than others? Yes! But, it's like you have said many time "Tone is subjective" I had one of them guys tell me that it is subjective. LOL! One guy got so mad at me he blocked me. HA! But so many people do not understand why production are mad out of the wood they use. A lot of time I feels is because they bought a whole boat load of wood and they are stuck with it, until something else comes along so that they can make the claim that this tone wood is better than the other because it has a brighter tone. LOL!
Well sorry I went off again. But, finishes and tone woods' will always be an issue in guitar building. Even in the wood working world on FB and YT there are those that will argue over the simplest of things. In that world they get into it over the table saw and safety features. Old saw don't have them and the new ones do. But that is another topic for another time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 11:16:48 GMT -6
I recall someone said "Everyone is famous for fifteen minutes"? (Andy whowasit?) and in my own silly hippie way I think of it as "Everyone is a legend in their own lunchbox" (lifetime, natch), and t'interweb has fascilitated that to the extent of removing the corporate filters that screened out the wheat from the chaff back in the 1960s through to the 1990s. In other words, the common denominator is now at its nadir. The thing to do is not try to swim against it, run with it and apply the filter between your ears and behind your eyes. There's a reason why I subscribe to you guys' channels ... でつ e&oe ...LOL! I try so hard not to reply on a lot of things I see. But this guy on this video was making the product I use look like it was not worthy to be put onto a guitar. I hate to see people being led astray by videos like this. I did ask me to explain how I use it. So, I did. Then he said to me, that's not the way it says on the can to use it and that maybe I should get hold of the company that makes it and tell them. another Hum...!
Again I told him that most instructions are guide lines and that I have been using finishes for a lot of year. From Cars to Guitars. He does not know that I have or had painted cars long before he was even born.LOL! But, I did say to him that all products have a learning curve. Some are easy some are not. But to use a product one time and it fails does not meant it bad. The other thing is people for whatever reason will not try out a product on some scrap to see how it will work for them. they put it onto the their project and get mad at the product. A lot of time it's their fault not the product.
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