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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 12:05:39 GMT -6
I have two acoustic guitars that I am working on. Got done with the bass today. Still waiting on parts for the other 12 string acoustic.
I have never worked on this brand. In fact I know little about them. Seen a few is. But this bass and the 12 string acoustic sound and play pretty good. the owner wanted me to put new strings on both and lower the action. I only lowered the bass a little bit. Someone has already adjusted it as far as it can go. But, I did bring it down just a bit more. So, now it's maxed out without doing some bridge work. But, I don't think it should come down anymore that were it's at now.
here is the 12 string. Waiting on strings to come in. The music store here in town was out of them. I also need to make a new saddle for the bridge. The one that was in it was messed up by who ever worked on it last.
When my son was here, he found these antlers at a antique store here in town. He got them for a really cheap price. He thought I could use them for guitar nuts and saddles. So, I an thinking of making the saddle for the 12 string out on this. There is enough antler to keep me in nuts and saddles for a super long time.
I'll see how it goes. LOL! (laughing because, Santa is use dear antlers for guitar work. Please don't tell the elves... HA! HA! HO! HO! HO!
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Post by dnic on Nov 23, 2021 19:57:45 GMT -6
They look like nice guitars Eddie. Never heard of the brand either.
I think Jerry Rosa uses antler for nuts and saddles on all his builds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 20:10:00 GMT -6
They look like nice guitars Eddie. Never heard of the brand either. I think Jerry Rosa uses antler for nuts and saddles on all his builds. the owner of the guitars said they were not cheap. I think he said the 12 sting was around $1,000 and I for get what he said the bass was. But they sound awesome even unplugged.
They look well built. They don't use the traditional ways in making them.
I have not looked them up. But they are not lightweight. The 12 string plays super good the way it is. But the customer wants the action a little lower on it. Someone had cut grooves in the saddle. So the intonation is off. When someone cut the grooves they cut them flat. Plus the grooves are not even. Some are real deep and some are not.
I'll be working on making a new one tomorrow.
Yes Rossa does use antler. I think he also a hunter.
EB
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Post by antares on Nov 24, 2021 3:57:28 GMT -6
That's a new guitar name to me too. Watch out for widely varying density in the antler. I made a walking stick handle from antler and counterbored the top for a brass button compass. It was an "interesting" exercise!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 5:21:48 GMT -6
That's a new guitar name to me too. Watch out for widely varying density in the antler. I made a walking stick handle from antler and counterbored the top for a brass button compass. It was an "interesting" exercise! でつ e&oe ...Yes I wondered about that in the antler. Thanks for the tip.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 12:56:58 GMT -6
Yep I know it's Thanksgiving. But for us we are on our own. So, it's kind of boring around here today. So, I got the strings in for the 12 string acoustic yesterday. I got the bass all done so the 12 string was next on my list of things to get done this week. I chose today to go ahead and get it done. So, here we go...
Here is the old saddle. Someone decided to cut lines into the saddle. It really doesn't show in the picture, but, the grooves are un even. I was surprised to find a plastic saddle in it.
Here is were I cut the blank. I made a compensating saddle. that is what was in it.
here is the saddle I made for it. Came out great! This guitar has got to be one of the best sounding 12 string I have ever played. And I have played a lot of them over the years. These guitars are made with no wood bracing on the top. The use 2 metal rods that run in a V shape. I was going to make an acoustic that way. Guess, I was beat to the draw. LOL! This guitar is build like how I wanted to build one. I am glad to see and hear that the idea works and works pretty well.
Hope everyone is doing well, and eating a lot of good food. I know I will be here in a little while.
EB
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Post by dnic on Nov 26, 2021 10:43:40 GMT -6
looks good Eddie, if I get a chance ti see how well a guitar is intonated before I take the saddle out. if it's good you can copy what's already there. it's little more involved if you have to start from scratch.
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Post by antares on Nov 26, 2021 13:09:30 GMT -6
Good common sense advice there but perhaps not so with old/dirty strings? (Which I fancy is how they tend to present?) Who amongst us would string up with a new set just to check?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 16:56:27 GMT -6
looks good Eddie, if I get a chance ti see how well a guitar is intonated before I take the saddle out. if it's good you can copy what's already there. it's little more involved if you have to start from scratch. yep. I have done a few from scratch. I had one once in AZ that the guy said he had taken the guitar to a couple of places because it was not in intonation. He was told by two people that the bridge was out of alignment and the the bridge would nee to be reset. He brought it me to see what I thought. So, the first thing I seen was that saddle had no compensating done to it at all. Then the action was super high and the truss rod was in what I call neutral. It had lots of forward bow in the neck.
I told him to leave it with me. If can't fix it then he would owe me nothing. Do I need to say it? Yep! I fixed it. That guitar played like a dream when I got done with it. The thing is I know the other tow people he took this guitar to. One of them has is well known there for his work on guitars. He was even in Guitar player magazine. But, it's not the first guitar I had worked on after he had worked on it. Hum... Well, the customer was supper excited with the guitar. So, excited that he gave me another $25.00 over what I charged him for working on it. The owned of that guitar is one of my customers that was upset at me for leaving AZ.
I didn't say all this to build myself up. It's that I cannot under stand why people that do this kind of work do this to people. Like this 12 string, if you look at the saddle that was in it, you can tell it was worked on without care. I don't know I get upset at people that work on guitars for a living and mess up guitars. It's almost like they want to do that so that customer will bring it back. Well, The 12 string does sound and play super nice. I do think it sounds better than when I first got hold of it.
This is the first time I used antler. It wont be my last time. I like it better than cow bone so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 7:12:29 GMT -6
The guy that owns these two guitars really liked how the 12 string came out. He didn't seem as happy with the bass. I took the action down as low as I could on it. There is no more adjustment left to get it any lower without resting the neck. I told him that it will never play like a 6 string guitar. So, anyway I thought it plays good and even better than some bass guitars I have played. It did need need the new strings I put on it. The other ones that were on it had been "Boiled"? He let someone work on it that told him he could save the strings by boiling them. Hum.. the thing was the strings had flat spots on them where they meet the frets. LOL! EB
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Post by dnic on Dec 4, 2021 21:15:14 GMT -6
Boiling strings? That's a first for me. Never heard of that before. I try to accommodate people when they tell me they just put strings but putting used strings back on a guitar is a huge pain. And blood letting sometimes.
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Post by antares on Dec 5, 2021 4:29:55 GMT -6
I read about boiling strings back in the 1970s, although from dim memory I recall it was in connection with extending the life of bass strings. I think the idea is that it gets rid of all the detritus and dead skin that gets lodged in between the windings. I have an ultrasonic bath cleaner here but I don't think I'd bother cleaning strings with it because just as Eddie said the windings acquire flat spots around the frets.
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Post by dnic on Dec 5, 2021 8:25:06 GMT -6
I read about boiling strings back in the 1970s, although from dim memory I recall it was in connection with extending the life of bass strings. I think the idea is that it gets rid of all the detritus and dead skin that gets lodged in between the windings. I have an ultrasonic bath cleaner here but I don't think I'd bother cleaning strings with it because just as Eddie said the windings acquire flat spots around the frets. でつ e&oe ...I'm thinking this must be a bass thing because I can't imagine anyone doing that to save 7$. on the other hand I have heard of people saving ice cubes from other peoples drinks. That might be a deeper problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 9:47:24 GMT -6
I had heard of boiling bass strings years and years ago. Maybe from the 70's. Didn't make since to me then nor now. The old string on this bass were dead. I bet they were dead when boiled. LOL! People do some odd things for sure. I put this as one of them things that make you go... Hum.... EB
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Post by dnic on Dec 5, 2021 15:56:34 GMT -6
I had heard of boiling bass strings years and years ago. Maybe from the 70's. Didn't make since to me then nor now. The old string on this bass were dead. I bet they were dead when boiled. LOL! People do some odd things for sure. I put this as one of them things that make you go... Hum.... EB
I say "Hum" more and more as I age.
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