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Post by dnic on Apr 20, 2021 18:11:55 GMT -6
That is a great looking and sounding guitar, Dane. Superior job...the guy you built it for got an incredible deal. Love the video - lots of detail, and that is what I like! Keep up the great work...look forward to many more. John Thanks much John. Thanks for your contribution to finish product. (John builds the picks ups just in case anybody was not aware.) |
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Post by dnic on Apr 22, 2021 21:30:42 GMT -6
Hey guys, so the lady that ended up with Greenie, her dad bought it for her as a retirement gift, came by after rehearsal tonight to talk. She is very happy with the guitar and looking forward to playing electric guitar. She's been visiting for the week and playing it a lot.
Anyway it feels very good to know that she's excited about the guitar and loves playing it. Just the icing on the cake.
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Post by dnic on Jul 16, 2021 21:22:33 GMT -6
Hey Folks, I think I have settled on a name for my base unit guitar. Heretofore called the 1000$ guitar. I may build one or two a year to sell at that price but they will more likely be in the 1500$ range when not on sale. I realize I'm probably aiming at the wrong market and should double the price. All of that aside I'm thinking it should be named after a hard working no nonsense get it done kind of person. So...
THE ROADIE
Moan away!
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jul 19, 2021 7:21:22 GMT -6
Hey Folks, I think I have settled on a name for my base unit guitar. Heretofore called the 1000$ guitar. I may build one or two a year to sell at that price but they will more likely be in the 1500$ range when not on sale. I realize I'm probably aiming at the wrong market and should double the price. All of that aside I'm thinking it should be named after a hard working no nonsense get it done kind of person. So... THE ROADIE Moan away! Dane -- I like it. I think that is a good price point, too. Remember what Carrol Shelby said about the first Shelby Mustang: “That’s what we’ll call it— GT350.” Shelby reasoned, “if it is a good car, the name won’t matter, and if it is a bad car the name won’t save it.” I know you can build a great guitar, and good luck. John |
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Post by dnic on Jul 19, 2021 7:36:05 GMT -6
Hey Folks, I think I have settled on a name for my base unit guitar. Heretofore called the 1000$ guitar. I may build one or two a year to sell at that price but they will more likely be in the 1500$ range when not on sale. I realize I'm probably aiming at the wrong market and should double the price. All of that aside I'm thinking it should be named after a hard working no nonsense get it done kind of person. So... THE ROADIE Moan away! Dane -- I like it. I think that is a good price point, too. Remember what Carrol Shelby said about the first Shelby Mustang: “That’s what we’ll call it— GT350.” Shelby reasoned, “if it is a good car, the name won’t matter, and if it is a bad car the name won’t save it.” I know you can build a great guitar, and good luck. John Thanks John, appreciate the feed back. I made a discovery yesterday, the bridge pup on a tele is not ice picky when it has an ash tray. Would you concur? I'm refretting a 67' and was putting it through the paces and was really loving the bridge. When I thought " I don't usually love tele bridge pups". Then I pulled the ash tray off and the normal tele bridge sound came back. I A/B-ed that a few times and it's subtle but it's there. Just enough to make the bridge not painful. What's your experience? Am I doing an Eric Johnson 9 volt thing? |
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Post by antares on Jul 19, 2021 9:14:19 GMT -6
Strange. I might have expected just the opposite Dane. I have a blue Strat-o-type with a Tele pickup in the bridge position (in deference to Lowell) but compared to my Bitza Esquire with the 1955 Fender pup, a Tele bridge "sound" it is not. There should be a picture of it in that thread where we posted images of all our babies? The "Esquire" is in there too. In your example, this may be related to the ferrous nature of Tele ash trays, and eddy currents are a clue here. It may be why Danny Gatton had a stainless-steel ash tray heli-arc welded up for his 1953 Tele?
I think there may be some .080"- 0.100" difference (give or take) in the relative positions of Strat and Tele bridge pickups, and that should theoretically have an impact on the sound. Certainly my Strat does not exhibit Tele sounds at all in the bridge position- it may as well have remained a Strat pup even allowing for the impact of the Tele bridge pup base plate. Certainly it would have saved the trouble of routing the cavity. My Lowell Strat was a futile fanboy exercise, but you know how it goes when you're on a mission!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 16:12:25 GMT -6
I have the ash tray cover on one of my teles. For me the big difference is I can't palm the strings with the tray on. So it does have a total sound difference to it. Now you got me to where I want to do a video on that guitar to show how the the Tray can change the sound of a Tele.
I cannot remember what it does to the bridge pickup. I will find out... LOL!
Some T bridge pickups can sound harsh. I use a 33 tone cap in mine. I think it makes a big difference in the way the way the pickups sound off. I also don't put the bridge pickup to close to the strings. I also like the 4 way switch in the one I made. I did a video on it. I have not tried putting the Tray on it yet. Hum...
I think I will do a video to show what I find out on my end of things. I was wondering what i was going to do next.
EB
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Post by dnic on Jul 19, 2021 22:06:16 GMT -6
Totally think it has to do with the metal and the magnetic fields and currents. I think all bridge pups are a little bright. I was thinking about adding metal covers to only the bridge pups to dial back the treble a tiny bit. I could test this theory on existing guitars I have simply by adding a metal cover. Someday I might get around to that.
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Post by antares on Jul 20, 2021 9:03:06 GMT -6
I think you're correct Dane and I alluded to that when I mentioned eddy currents. The cut-outs in gold foil pickups are not there by happenstance, it's to interrupt the magnetic fields, hopefully in a positive way. Of course, John would know better than me there, so I defer to him in the event of conflict of opinion!
The Roadie sounds fine to me, but I tend to feel that your creations are more than just workhorses, and anyway- I wouldn't dream of passing comment on your children's names, so why would I with a name for a guitar? My mandolin is called "Nellie" but it / she's the only named instrument I own.
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Post by dnic on Jul 20, 2021 18:51:42 GMT -6
I think you're correct Dane and I alluded to that when I mentioned eddy currents. The cut-outs in gold foil pickups are not there by happenstance, it's to interrupt the magnetic fields, hopefully in a positive way. Of course, John would know better than me there, so I defer to him in the event of conflict of opinion! The Roadie sounds fine to me, but I tend to feel that your creations are more than just workhorses, and anyway- I wouldn't dream of passing comment on your children's names, so why would I with a name for a guitar? My mandolin is called "Nellie" but it / she's the only named instrument I own. e&oe ...A nod to you and your eddy currents, not to be redundant Steve. But I was agreeing in my own way with what you had said. Very valid points. I don't really have names for my own personal guitars but it just seems like most builders give their guitars some sort of series or model name. Here I go being a follower again. I had a Model A hot rod that my wife named Henry. You know after Henry Ford. |
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Post by antares on Jul 21, 2021 1:29:36 GMT -6
Gotcha. I'm off on a tangent again Dane. So far as model names go I wouldn't have a clue so "The Roadie" is fine and is growing on me over time.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jul 21, 2021 6:35:26 GMT -6
Dane - I think the ash tray does make the bridge pickup a little softer, but it makes the guitar unplayable, too! It sounds like an interesting experiment.
The steel plate on the bottom makes a difference, too. A Tele bridge pickup came from the lap steels, and I can’t help but think Mr. Fender added the plate on the bottom and the cover to make them sound and look more presentable on his new guitar.
John
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Post by antares on Jul 21, 2021 9:44:24 GMT -6
There could be something in that about the lapsteel pickups and the bases. From the extensive and copious information in Nacho Baños' book "The Blackguard" and using my Mitutoyo digital caliper, I determined that the Tele bridge pickup in my bitza "Esquire" in fact came from a 1955 Fender lap steel. It was the diameter of the pole pieces that set it apart from a vanilla Tele pup. Again, John may have more hands-on knowledge here. Nacho's weighty coffee table book is a bit special, a labour of love and definitive. He only published about 4,400 copies, each having the unique serial number of one of those 4,400 Blackguard Teles produced in the early 1950s written in the ashtray bridge image on the cover.
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Post by dnic on Jul 21, 2021 17:39:45 GMT -6
Dane - I think the ash tray does make the bridge pickup a little softer, but it makes the guitar unplayable, too! It sounds like an interesting experiment. The steel plate on the bottom makes a difference, too. A Tele bridge pickup came from the lap steels, and I can’t help but think Mr. Fender added the plate on the bottom and the cover to make them sound and look more presentable on his new guitar. John John, Eddie said the same thing about playability. Can't palm mute with that ashtray in place. Coming from Leo's lap steel background it's makes a great place to rest the picking hand. |
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jul 23, 2021 7:27:30 GMT -6
It is interesting how all of those old lap steels from the late 40s/early 50s had a very ornate bridge/pickup cover installed. It wasn't until we started seeing the Supros/Nationals later in the 50s that the pickup was exposed and they were not even chromed!
I've seen a lot of variation in pickups/wiring on those early Fenders. I rewound a 51 Esquire pickup earlier this month, and the magnets were still very hot. It was a great sounding pickup when I got it done...that is why we are always on the hunt!
John
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