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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 12:32:07 GMT -6
Don't know how many had been fallowing the great guitar build off. I was a little disappointed in it. To much trash talk for me and not enough about the builds.
But any way. One of my Favorite builds is the one done by 3X3 customs.
Do you have a favorite?
EB
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Post by dnic on Sept 21, 2020 22:01:08 GMT -6
I watched most of the videos and I like Tamar's guitar a lot. I've seen her videos from time to time and really was not all that impressed with her skill level. But I felt like she really stepped up to the plate on this build. I also thought Brad's guitar came out very good. The Texas Toast guys really did an awesome job on their three neck guitar but that would be exponentially more useless then a double neck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 12:41:26 GMT -6
I watched most of the videos and I like Tamar's guitar a lot. I've seen her videos from time to time and really was not all that impressed with her skill level. But I felt like she really stepped up to the plate on this build. I also thought Brad's guitar came out very good. The Texas Toast guys really did an awesome job on their three neck guitar but that would be exponentially more useless then a double neck. The Texas Toast guitar sold for just over $7,000. I didn't think it would have gotten that much Tamar's guitar sold for $2,750. Big D's got $2,551.00. Crimson guitar was $4,094.56
I didn't see the other guitars on eBay. So I don't know what they had gotten.
But yes on the 3 neck. One would have to put it on a stand in order to play it. I bet it's is super heavy!
Well, at least the moneys go to a good cause.
EB
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Post by antares on Sept 23, 2020 2:13:37 GMT -6
I've got a DVD of Steve Vai playing a triple neck. Then again that's just Steve Vai for you! He also plays a "Heart Guitar" which is a heart-shaped body with two necks going off in opposite directions. It's impressive to watch him switch back and forth to southpaw. I agree though, even a double neck is over the top to my mind and is largely to do with stage imagery. I can't visualise anyone playing a twin neck in thr studio ... The exception there has to be "Stairway to Heaven" where Jimmy Page needed it to pull off the twelve string parts mid song. I only watched Tamar's build and I was impressed but a little circumspect regarding some of her techniques. I'm not sure that Crimson's offering is really within the spirit of a guitar build-a-thon if there's a corporate image to cultivate?
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Post by dnic on Sept 23, 2020 7:54:15 GMT -6
I agree Steve the only 12 string live that's made since to me was J Ps use in Stairway. But I'm sure I've just miss remembered. Even So The stage appeal is huge.
I saw the original video in which the Texas Toast guys were talking about having a scratch build contest and getting some of these big shot YouTube channels to compete. They almost dismissed the idea as quick as it came up but some folks watching the live stream commented on Crimsons videos and sort of heckled him into accepting the challenge. Once Ben was involved he definitely changed the narrative. As I've said from the beginning if he didn't change it to kit builds most of the people involved (people who have very large YT channels) would not be able to build a guitar from scratch. In case you all haven't noticed a lot of TY creators aren't interested in accurate or even correct info but if they're funny or raunchy or have cool B roll or video technique or boobs they can grow quite a large audience. One example is Jimmy Diresta, I kept hearing other YT folk refer to what he was building and how amazing he was. He came up in a search when I was working on my big band saw. So I started watching his stuff. He knows a lot about tools and building but when it comes down to his finished product I'm just not impressed. I'm a perfectionist, except for keeping my shop clean, so this isn't sour grapes over having a small YT channel. I see all the defects, the chipped corners or splintered grain from saw cuts. OK, so this got long and I've lost track of what I was trying to get across and it's 7am and I have to jump in the jump shower. Have a great day folks.
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Post by antares on Sept 23, 2020 15:25:11 GMT -6
No I gotcha Dane, and I'm heartened that you would take the time out to reply at such an ungodly hour with other pressing deadlines. It was your line about chipped saw cuts that grabbed me- like looking in the mirror! I've spoken very briefly to Ben at a guitar show here in the UK at Kempton Park horse racing course a few years back, and he's a likeable guy with boundless enthusiasm for his subject. You can't fake that so he gets a thumbs up here, I just felt that with a successful growing profile it didn't seem appropriate. Hey- what do I know?
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Post by dnic on Sept 23, 2020 18:06:19 GMT -6
Steve if you get a splintered saw cut that's one one thing. But A guy with 2 million subs that's supposedly some kind of MAKER guru should be doing better work than that. And when did the term MAKER become a thing? I've been building cars or houses or furniture or guitars all my life and we always just called it building. Now it's MAKERS!
About cutting wood with less splinters. If you're interested I'd be happy to share.
I miss Ben in the old garden shed. He just seemed humbler.
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Post by dnic on Sept 23, 2020 18:10:05 GMT -6
Another thing about the GGBO 2020 is there is now an unofficial GGBO. There are over 120 guys building guitars either from scratch or kits or revamping old guitars and doing crazy off the wall stuff. If you search That on YT you will find boat loads of videos and some of these guys are putting the "PROS" to same.
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Post by antares on Sept 24, 2020 2:12:56 GMT -6
Dane I think it's not so much splintering as the visual result of hand sawing. This disappears if you have facility to machine cuts, but I have found that no matter how much I try to hand saw a straight cut I fail. Sure, I can do better when I clamp the job down in B&D "WorkMate" and the results are better. I guess I've diagnosed my own "problem" really?
We had a new front door installed some 25 years ago. The installer split the existing door frame by accident. He assured me it would be OK and he'd "let a bit in". I know it involved planing (another of my weaknesses!) but I was nonetheless slack-jawed at how seamlessly he had replaced splintered timber. You couldn't even "feel" the joints. Coming from a metal working background this is what impresses me with what Eddie, John and yourself can do. I wish I had a workshop. I know I could do far better!
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Post by dnic on Sept 24, 2020 7:28:44 GMT -6
Hand saws and planes are both acquired skills. I was trained in carpentry by my father-in-law. We used hand saws a lot, planes not so much. Just the little block planes. Used a hand saw miter box as well. Drove nails by hand. Even though nails guns, skill saws and power miter saws had been around a while. Just thinking about what part of the cut will be seen in the finished product will move you a long way toward cleaner work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 16:06:11 GMT -6
When I fist stared building guitars, all I had was hand tools. But after re-injuring my neck I could no longer use many of the hand tool. So I went to a band saw. I cut a lot of wood on a table saw before I learned how not to get them splinting wood cuts.
The one thing I didn't want to give up on was using a spoke shave to make the necks. I loved working the neck by feel. It was one of my most wood working things I liked to do. I really miss that part of building guitars.
I was a little disappointed in the build off. It was nothing like I thought it would be. Most of the builders did not show anything until after they were done with the guitar. In the start of it all it was, was trash talk. It was fun at the start but for me got old after days of it and no building going on.
Some of the builds even on the unofficial were way over the top. On some builds I wondered what they were trying to prove. I like custom guitars as much if not more than most people. But even in the custom world there is a thing about doing to much. Over doing it. I see it all the time in "Kustom" Cars. There is tasteful and there is gaudy. There were a few that were gaudy to me. Over done.
The Crimson guitar to me was over done, and he rushed it to get it done. I feel that the build would have been better with a resin filled. That way he could have left the out side pieces off and had that look he was wanting. Watch his video when he is building the guitar. He was wanting to leave off the outside wings so one could look into the side and see the cool carving of the inside wood. Plus it would have made the guitar a lot stronger than the way he did it.
I had to give 3X3 customs a thumbs up. I thought she did an out standing job on the guitar. I even liked the design on the body. For me I even liked how she corrected her mistake. Not to many of us out there would have taken the extra mile and fixed the veneer. many of us would have left it as is. So I was impressed by that.
Big D I though was a nice guitar. He did out a new top and back on it and did some cambering. But all in all I liked the guitar too.
But anyways... All of the people that were in the main contest did alright. But most of them seemed rushed to get them done. I know they all are busy with other things in their life's. But they said yes to the contest knowing that they would have to make time for the builds.
As far a skill level goes, I think a few let me down in that. Sorry but that is one thing I look at when people are building a guitar. If someone is new to building is one thing, but all of these people are supposed to be some of the best. I don't know what was going on, but it just seemed like, " Oh well I guess I better slap something together for the contest." I seen little passion in the builds.
Dane, I am like you, I am a builder, not a maker. I too have built a lot of Kustom cars and Hot Rods. I too use to do house remodels and stuff like that. But, I really didn't know all to much about woods and how some wood will cut different form others. (hard woods) I was use to cutting pine 2X4s before guitars. I never got into making cabinets for houses, I always used pre made ones. LOL!
Well, I didn't mean to be so negative on the build off. It just was not what I expected. I do have to wonder how well the guitars will hold up after building them and auctioning them of so soon after the build was done? Hum...
EB
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Post by dnic on Sept 24, 2020 18:18:27 GMT -6
I don't think you were to hard on the "pro" builders. I also am more drawn to traditional guitar designs. Things that are not fragile and are comfortable to play. I liked both Brad and Tamar's original shapes. I've always said I love tele's but I am so sick to death of seeing "custom" telecasters from builders that should be coming up with more interesting stuff. There's my rant. Off to rehearsal.
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Post by antares on Sept 25, 2020 5:10:52 GMT -6
I really cannot fathom out how you fit everything in Dane. A full time job. Building and repairing musical instruments. Editing videos. Watching endless other guitar related YouTube clips. Reading and writing thoughtful answers to YT channel subscriber commentary. Rehearsals / church / sound reinforcement. That's without standard things like home maintenance, cleaning, eating and of course sleeping! With the best will in the world, how do you find the time?
Was that "Big D Guitars"? If so, and it's not appropriate for a forum such as this (especially since he's not here to join in) but I'm no fan of that guy. Some folks live out the perceived legend in their own lunchbox. Is all.
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Post by dnic on Sept 25, 2020 7:59:36 GMT -6
I really cannot fathom out how you fit everything in Dane. A full time job. Building and repairing musical instruments. Editing videos. Watching endless other guitar related YouTube clips. Reading and writing thoughtful answers to YT channel subscriber commentary. Rehearsals / church / sound reinforcement. That's without standard things like home maintenance, cleaning, eating and of course sleeping! With the best will in the world, how do you find the time? Was that "Big D Guitars"? If so, and it's not appropriate for a forum such as this (especially since he's not here to join in) but I'm no fan of that guy. Some folks live out the perceived legend in their own lunchbox. Is all. e&oe ...Well Steve, The sound reinforcement gig has been over for quite a few years now. But I do wedding cakes with my wife on the side. Actually been a very slow year for cakes with the Corona. I'm frosting one tonight and we deliver and set up two on Saturday. On busier cake years I don't get nearly as much guitar stuff in. I'm also starting my yearly side job for a contractor I worked with when I was full time building contracting. It's gets drug out working only Saturdays but it's four 1500 SF houses doing all the finish work. Doors, trim, closets packs, hand rails and window sills. That really puts a dent in my guitar work. I work a lot of nights to keep up. Yes Big D builds a lot of tele's but I wasn't thinking of him specifically. There are just a lot of builders that keep puking out the same thing that Fender started 70 years ago. Not that it isn't what guitar buyers want and I get that. My first guitar build was a tele cause I'd always wanted one. But I was building a new house in the middle of it and ended buying a real one first. MIM, in 2000, still a great guitar. And it's not that I want or like strange carved monoliths but just some fresh body shapes that you don't see everyday. Thus my comments about Tamar and Brad coming up with their own body shapes. Texas Toast has a couple of their own shapes as well. It's tough to sell original body shapes as a one off builder cause people tend to buy what they're familiar with. Large companies like Music Man can flood the market place with new designs and ample advertising and get new shapes to catch on but it still takes time for things to catch on. I had to go through my own phase of copies to sell product and make what clients will pay for. But I'm currently building my own design and only time will tell how that works out. I may have to go back to copies but with my own peghead designs. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 9:06:45 GMT -6
Here is Big D's guitar.
I like him too. He does a lot of restorations. I think he is a cool guy! But I do love Teles. LOL! But at the same time I do like cool clean lines in guitars. But I like the Burch wood he used in this build. I have used Burch in some of my builds. One of my favorite Teles I built has a Burch top on it.
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