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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 14:12:53 GMT -6
Today the wife and I was out in the thrift stores and antique stores. I went buy this one booth that had a guitar for sale. It's an old classical guitar in a world of hurt. They waned $70.00 US for it. It was missing the bracing off the back. I flipped it over and found this. LOL
I almost bought it so I could hang it on my wall... LOL! People! EB
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Post by antares on Aug 7, 2020 14:52:50 GMT -6
Mercy!
70 bucks too.
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Post by dnic on Aug 7, 2020 18:16:26 GMT -6
Not much of a deal. Be hard to fix it up and even get that much back out of it. But the turn buckle is to die for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 8:36:10 GMT -6
Not much of a deal. Be hard to fix it up and even get that much back out of it. But the turn buckle is to die for. I know right??? LOL! I was thinking they should have given me the $70 to take it home. HA! 
EB
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Post by dnic on Aug 8, 2020 12:31:38 GMT -6
Not much of a deal. Be hard to fix it up and even get that much back out of it. But the turn buckle is to die for. I know right??? LOL! I was thinking they should have given me the $70 to take it home. HA!
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Post by antares on Aug 8, 2020 15:42:33 GMT -6
A visible "Bridge Doctor" like contraption deployed on the neck then. Well it may be crude, but so is the Bridge Doctor, the difference is you can see this particular work of beelzebub without a mirror!
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Post by dnic on Aug 9, 2020 7:42:05 GMT -6
Oh Steve, no love for the bridge doctor.
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Post by antares on Aug 9, 2020 10:29:37 GMT -6
I need a Bridge Doctor on my old bowl back mandolin. You wouldn't believe its distortion- it's like a choppy sea ... My sister bought it in a junk shop a couple of years back when she was on holiday. She 'phoned me and I tried to educate her on what to look out for but to no avail. A pretty little thing and sounds OK-ish, but never stray from the first position!
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Post by dnic on Aug 9, 2020 13:15:23 GMT -6
I use Bridge Doctors now and then. I've made my own and have about 5 left on the shelf. I haven't noticed any negative effects but that doesn't seem to be the majority opinion. Cowboy chords on a mando seems about right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 15:37:40 GMT -6
I too have used the bridge doctor on a few guitars. I see nothing wrong with using them. Some say " It takes away the tone" Not true! I get this one a lot... " people that use a bridge doctor don't know how to fix the guitar" Wrong!
I have used them for customers that didn't want to spend the money on a neck reset or having the belly taken out that would be weeks of waiting on. No all guitar owners own more than one guitar.
I have used the bridge doctors on a lot of 12 string guitars. I think it is better for the guitar to have one in place. Brelove guitars put them in their higher end guitars.
But people can think and do what they want. Foe me I like them and will use it again.
One guy got on to me for sharing my thoughts on the "Bridge doctor" I came back at him with this..." OH, I see, kind like people that think different colors make a guitar sound different." I said that to him because he is one of them guys... LOL!
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Post by antares on Aug 10, 2020 0:51:12 GMT -6
I guess you're right Eddie. I wouldn't want one in my boxes though. I admit that's more prejudice than reason.
I don't have a problem with my 12-string Guild F512, but like all my acoustics, I leave it in CGCGCD tuning and only tune up if or as required. This has been a good gambit for me so far. I look at guitars with their bracing and wonder how folks can get so worked up about solid and laminated timbers. Surely putting bracing struts makes the soundtable exponentially stiffer which stymies vibration?
We used to "cross crease" ventilation ductwork panels specifically to prevent "drumming" or vibration of the panels. Anyone think that bracing doesn't do exactly the same thing? To me bracing is a necessary evil. As an engineer looking for a solution, I think there's a great deal to be said for tailpieces and floating bridges. I know bracing may still be used, but there's an elegance about a tailpiece, and there's an element of validity in using just sufficient bracing rather than "belt and braces" plus a bridge plate resisting the tendency for the bridge to pull around and deform the top.
In that scenario, how bad can a Bridge Doctor really be?
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Post by dnic on Aug 10, 2020 7:27:10 GMT -6
I can honestly say that my experiences with BDs have been good. I put one in for a guy and was very happy with it. But then his purist buddies talked him it taking it out. A lot of times people hear what they expect to hear.
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Post by antares on Aug 10, 2020 8:25:52 GMT -6
I'd go for an "in storage" version that could (maybe!) be flipped off for playing, but this is an uneducated opinion because I have zero experience with the product (that I'm aware of ...)
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Post by DANE on Aug 10, 2020 10:17:32 GMT -6
That is a fantastic idea Steve. And I would think fairly easily done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 10:46:46 GMT -6
Funny how we went from me seeing a guitar with a persons way of fixing it to now the Bridge Doctor... LOL!
Well, everyone has their opinion about things. All I know is what works for me. Some things that work for me may not work for others. the same it true the other way around. It's like the name on a guitar. Cover it up and or blindfold the player and give them a few guitars to play and see what they pick out as the best sounding and best playing guitar out of the lot. My money is they won't pick one of the name brands. Hum...
I have found that most people will always fallow the crowd. They will always want to please the crowd and not go with what they want.
After working on so many guitars and building guitars out of all kinds of woods, I found (for me) a lot of the stuff one sees and hears out there is myth. But so many people believe in the myth.
Even though I have a learning disability, one of my favorite things in school was science. In school I invented a machine that showed how smoking cigarettes can destroy your lungs. My invention made into a book made for schools. I was given an award for it.
I said that to say this... IN guitar building I had to learn not to rely all the time on the science of things. Because, more times than not some things just work.
In the beginning in making guitars I was told not to use Pine. Hum... after I built my first pine guitar I then learned that Fender had built Teles out of pine in the early years. Now it is more common to see a pine tele.
When I first got started I was told "Do NOT touch the truss rod" Can't tell you how scared I was to adjust the truss rod for the fist time. So many people had me believing if I moved it I would brake the rod or cause permanent damage to the guitar. LOL What a crock that was. To this day I have never had anything go wrong adjusting a truss rod. I have even fixed truss rods that I was told was broken. WOW!
But anyway, I tell people all the time, try things out, find what works for you. Like the bridge doctor, some (like me) like them and some don't. That's OK. To me they are an easy fix for problem guitars, and for people that don't have a fat wallet. So I let customers make up there own mind. If they want a quick fix at a lower price then a bridge doctor is the way to go. Other wise it will take weeks to fix an acoustic. There is also the idea that some fixes can exceed what the guitar is worth.
I can't even count how many Martin, and Taylor guitars I have worked on over the years. This is one reason I won't own one. For what they cost, to me they are not worth the money. Not everyone can afford to keep guitars in a climate controlled room. Heck I owned an EPI acoustic I bought in the 70's. Never babied that guitar. I owned it all the way to the early 2000s and never had an issue with it. It had a bolt on neck and played and sounded better that most of the Martins and Taylor's I had worked on. It never belled up, the action stayed low, The fret never buzzed. It was in need of some frets when I sold the guitar, but the guy that bought it also worked on guitars and he put new fret on it. He was amazed at how well the guitar held up over all them years. He was also taken back at how good the guitar played and sounded.
So anyway, if people like Taylor's and Martin guitar's that's OK. But they need to know what they are in for as far as care and upkeep of these guitars. They have to be babied.
OK, So, again, find what you like and get it. Find what works for you and use it. Make your own decisions. Some will be good and some not so good. But everything in that is the way we all learn.
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