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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 8:16:16 GMT -6
You need to see this video and hear what the maker of the can of lacquer says on the can and what the lacquer is good for. I cannot believe that anyone with a product would write such a thing on the can.
For me, I will never use or buy this product. Plus, I think there is too much hoop la that goes on with lacquers. Been using lacquers for too many years to know that most of the stuff out there that make their claims made for instruments is just all hype! It's a way to get more money for the product. I had bought a can of "made for instruments" lacquer one time and one time only. All it really turned out to be was more lacquer thinner than lacquer. The more thinner is in lacquer, the faster it will dry.
That is my opinion. Here is the video. EB
Other than the thing about lacquer, it's an OK video. He does some things I would have done different, but that's me.
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Post by antares on Jan 11, 2023 13:33:55 GMT -6
Ho ho ho! "Well ah think ah seen 'bout evrythin' ..." For me that's file under Orange Drops, silver mica, tantalum, ceramic and so on.
Actually, I guess I've been spoiled by watching Dane and your videos. There are things I know you guys wouldn't ever do, but I confess that at my level of competence I would!
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Post by dnic on Jan 16, 2023 0:30:23 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure the guy made that up cause we all know the Belen's lacquer is great for contemporary Christian music.
They do formulate instrument lacquer differently than cabinet lacquer. Acoustic instrument's expand and contract more than a cabinet would. And as we all know we see lots of guitars with lots of finish cracks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 8:51:02 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure the guy made that up cause we all know the Belen's lacquer is great for contemporary Christian music. They do formulate instrument lacquer differently than cabinet lacquer. Acoustic instrument's expand and contract more than a cabinet would. And as we all know we see lots of guitars with lots of finish cracks. Finish checking has been around for many years. Even on them old instruments. I don't think there is that much of a difference in the lacquers. Even in cars over years the lacquers will crack or check. I used to laugh at people that would tell me they put 20 or more coats of lacquer on a car. Only a 2 to 3 year later, it would be cracking all over the place. To me, it's all part of Lacquer. Just because they say it's made for instruments, I have to ask... Is it really? Or is that a way to charge more? EB
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jan 17, 2023 11:38:22 GMT -6
The big difference in lacquer now compared to the 1950s is the amount of plasticizer in the formula. It is much more pliable than the fast-drying furniture lacquer they sprayed on everything back then. Particularly when using rattle cans, the lacquer is very pliable and takes a long time to dry.
The Gibson Murphy Lab guitars use a lacquer made in a small Tennessee town near Nashville. It has almost zero plasticizer, and it cracks almost immediately when exposed to cold air or, in their case, a walk-in freezer. We used to be able to buy it in gallon sizes, but the manufacturer became a sole-source supplier for Gibson. Our concern at the shop was what the guitars would look like in 10-20 years; would all of the finish crack or peel off?
It was always my experience that when somebody came in to see a real late-50s Strat or Les Paul, they seemed disappointed in the amount of checking and wear. The Relic craze has made us all think that is what all old guitars are supposed to look like, and this could not be further from the truth. Those guitars were very expensive back in the 50s, and, for the most part, people took pretty good care of them.
My Two Cents (or pence),
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Post by dnic on Jan 17, 2023 19:14:22 GMT -6
Tom Murphy was telling me about that lacquer they were designing during our discussion while I was visiting Nashville. Cool that they pulled it off but I never about the long term effects. interesting.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jan 18, 2023 9:20:01 GMT -6
Tom Murphy was telling me about that lacquer they were designing during our discussion while I was visiting Nashville. Cool that they pulled it off but I never about the long term effects. interesting. Dane - We know what 70 year-old lacquer looks like. The "checking lacquer" has only been in use for a short time and it's long-term prognosis in unknown. Buyers beware. John |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 10:59:21 GMT -6
What is the take on Acrylic Lacquer? I don't see too many talking about it. I used to use a lot painting cars. I have used on guitars as well. I liked it because I could spray through a spray gun with little or no orange peel. And it dries with a super high gloss. When using a colored Acrylic Lacquer, I did have to use a clear over it.
The problem these days it seems to be hard to find. At least where I have living in the 6 years. EB
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 11:18:21 GMT -6
Tom Murphy was telling me about that lacquer they were designing during our discussion while I was visiting Nashville. Cool that they pulled it off but I never about the long term effects. interesting. Dane - We know what 70 year-old lacquer looks like. The "checking lacquer" has only been in use for a short time and it's long-term prognosis in unknown. Buyers beware. John John, back when I was mixing my own clears, By some sort of not mixing things right I wound up mixing a batch of lacquer that checked after drying for a short time. Back in the day, I was doing a lot of experimenting with paints and clears. I wish I knew that doing a thing like getting the lacquer to check that it would have been a thing. LOL! I was also doing the paint crackle on custom paint jobs before it was a big thing years later.
Ever see where people take and sprinkle water on a finish, then spray candy or paint over it? Did that way back in the 70's. I thought I came up with it on my own, only to see it being done some time later on in the 80's.
I have had a lot of cool ideas over my life, I only wish I could have cashed in on them. LOL! I would be sitting pretty well off now.
EB
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Jan 18, 2023 11:22:53 GMT -6
What is the take on Acrylic Lacquer? I don't see too many talking about it. I used to use a lot painting cars. I have used on guitars as well. I liked it because I could spray through a spray gun with little or no orange peel. And it dries with a super high gloss. When using a colored Acrylic Lacquer, I did have to use a clear over it.
The problem these days it seems to be hard to find. At least where I have living in the 6 years. EB
Acrylic Lacquer is pretty cool, and will take nitro as a top coat. Here are some of my favorite acrylic lacquers...available at AutoZone in the USA. Some spray cans: www.duplicolor.com/product/premium-lacquer/For use with a spray gun or PreVal unit: www.duplicolor.com/product/paint-shop-automotive-lacquer-finish-system/I painted some guitars with the Paint Shop paints, and they really look great. John |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 11:43:59 GMT -6
What is the take on Acrylic Lacquer? I don't see too many talking about it. I used to use a lot painting cars. I have used on guitars as well. I liked it because I could spray through a spray gun with little or no orange peel. And it dries with a super high gloss. When using a colored Acrylic Lacquer, I did have to use a clear over it.
The problem these days it seems to be hard to find. At least where I have living in the 6 years. EB
Acrylic Lacquer is pretty cool, and will take nitro as a top coat. Here are some of my favorite acrylic lacquers...available at AutoZone in the USA. Some spray cans: www.duplicolor.com/product/premium-lacquer/For use with a spray gun or PreVal unit: www.duplicolor.com/product/paint-shop-automotive-lacquer-finish-system/I painted some guitars with the Paint Shop paints, and they really look great. John I did look at the AutoZones in FL and AL. All they have here is enamel in the spray cans. Guess next time I go to the big city I'll look to see what they have. Thanks for the links! EB
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 15:26:00 GMT -6
Since we have been talking lacquer... I found this video interesting.
EB
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Post by dnic on Jan 21, 2023 20:31:13 GMT -6
This a very cool video. I've seen before and blown away by this guys luck scoring all this 50s Duco lacquer. and the fact that it still is viable is amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2023 14:55:18 GMT -6
This a very cool video. I've seen before and blown away by this guys luck scoring all this 50s Duco lacquer. and the fact that it still is viable is amazing. When I was building cars, I did a trade for some old Duco lacquer. About 15 gals of the stuff. I was told it was from the 60s. The cans were rusty looking and I could tell it had been around for a long time. I took a few cans down to the paint store and had them shake them up for me.
I, too, was concerned if they would be any good. The old guy at that paint store told me that as long as no one had opened the cans once they were first sealed, they should be fine. I got the paint home and everything was good! I painted an old 1951 Chevy truck with it. The rest of the paint I sold off because I was getting ready to move out of CA. Back in 1990. That guy wound up painting I don't know how many cars from that paint. He told me every can was good.
I think it has a lot in the way that paint is stored. As long as it stays in an even temp, it should be alright. Some paint I have been able to rejuvenate. But I found it was easier to buy fresh new paint.
Be nice to score paint like he did. But looks like he is into old finishes and restoring guitars. I get the relic look he did on this, but at the same time I think it would have just as nice done without the relic. Some of the colors he has are just plain cool!
EB
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Post by antares on Jan 23, 2023 4:38:18 GMT -6
I wasn't sold on the relic. After what looked like professional preparation and spraying technique, for me that was a crude relic attempt. No way was that natural wear and tear. Still, the guy's happy which makes it OK I guess, for the duration of his tenure that is ...
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