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Post by dnic on Oct 21, 2020 18:14:28 GMT -6
Well Eddie, I kind of like the copper with the maple. I like the contrast.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 10:21:46 GMT -6
Well Eddie, I kind of like the copper with the maple. I like the contrast. My wife says the same thing. I'm getting ready to go get some wood glue. But when I get back, I'll do some more looking at the wood tops and the copper.
The copper will get a design put into it of some kind. Maybe a hammered look or something else. I don't what it flat looking.
EB
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Post by antares on Oct 22, 2020 12:20:27 GMT -6
Another vote for darker timber with the copper Eddie. Should be a sweet instrument going by your other builds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 13:56:53 GMT -6
OK here we go!!! The start of another build! Gluing up the neck!
A new bottle of glue. Oh yeah! I have used Titebond glue for a long time. It has never failed me. I tired Gorilla glue one time, never again.
When looking for wood for a neck I like to find wood that has a good straight end grain. These two boards have that. so, is it 1/4 sawn or flat? LOL!
When buying wood from the local hardware store they always have stickers on them. So it has to be removed for a good glue up.
This is one of my best friends for working on guitars. It will take off sticker junk off fast and does not hurt the wood.
here is same spot after clean up.
One thing I like to do before a glue up, is I like to ruff up the board where the glue will be. So I use some sand paper and sand all the sides for gluing.
Another thing I like to do is put glue on all sides being glued together. I learned the hard way by not doing this.
If you want a good glue up, it's the only way to go.
Here is the neck blank all glued up. I will let it sit over night and remove the clamps. I normally let my blanks sit for 3 to 6 month before using them. But I am going to let this sit for a week or two before doing anything else to it.
The next step on the neck will be squaring it up. I do have a joiner plainer. I will be using it. But one could use a flat table with sand paper glued to the flat table. Or one could use a hand plainer.
I no longer have a place to use a flat table top, Like my table saw I once had. But there is a lot of other things I'll have to get inventive to get this guitar built. A lot of hand working yet to come.
EB
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Post by dnic on Oct 22, 2020 18:10:17 GMT -6
Same as quarter sawn the way you have them oriented.
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Post by antares on Oct 23, 2020 2:20:58 GMT -6
I concur regarding adhesive on both surfaces Eddie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 10:11:21 GMT -6
OK, here is something for ya!
most of the time I use wood for necks to were I can do the peg head angle without a scarf joint. I have not measured for this yet. But looks like if I want a peg head angle I will have to do a scarf joint. Or keep it inline like a fender.
On the scarf joints I have done them one of two ways. in the neck where the fret board covers it or in the head stock where most of the time I will cover with veneer to help hide the cut line. I have never had one or the other fail.
With the design I have for the peg head, most of the cut line will be hid on the front. I could also hide in on the back with some more copper.
What would be some of your thoughts on this part of the build. Why would you go with one or the other or not?
I know what I am going to do. But I thought it would be interesting to see some other thoughts without my influence. As a builder I know we all have our things we do, but I hardly ever see anyone say why they do what they do,
EB
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 12:46:08 GMT -6
here is the neck blank with out the clamps. The body wood should be here today. Once I get that I'll be gluing it up. I went with basswood for the body. It was inexpensive compared to other woods. I wanted alder but it has really gone up in price. I just didn't have the money to spend. But basswood is so easy to work with and still makes for a really good guitar. A lot of people don't know, but there are thousands of guitars made from basswood.
next up will be planing to square up the wood. It did move a little so It will need to be squared up.
Been looking at the 2 tops for this build. I think what I will do is to cut the design out in the copper and then lay the copper on each top. That should help me make up my mind. LOL!
I found some of my other tools that I thought I had lost today. I was so glad to find them. One of the was my radius block. It was buried under a lot of other things in a drawer. LOL! I guess when I was packing for the move I through a bunch of junk in on top of it.
Then the other one was my long drill bit for drilling wire holes. It was in the same drawer.
I am excited to be doing this build. I didn't think I would ever build another guitar again from scratch. I will see how this one goes before I get to lost in the building zone again. HA! What can I say... It's in my blood to build. Even being a little handicapped, by not having all the tools I once had. I do face some challenges, but they should all work out just fine.
EB
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 15:10:12 GMT -6
The body wood just got here! Look like nice wood. A few dings on on edge but nothing to bad. I'm going to let it sit for a day or two in my guitar room. Has a really good tap tone to it. So does the neck blank.
Once the body is glued up, I think I will do the body template after that. I am also going to do some experimenting on cutting the copper. I may do a template for the copper as well.
Here is the body wood.
OK, next up, glue the body together. Square up the neck blank. I should have the truss rod on Monday. Once I get that I may start on the neck again. But more than likely I will be cutting out the body before the neck. I'll have to see how things go. I got that wood for the body really fast! Ordered it like on Wednesday and this is Friday. WOW! And that was free shipping! I will end up staining the basswood. It will be a dark color. The neck to may get stained a dark color as well. I have not decided yet what I amp going to do with the fret board. But when it gets closer to doing the finish on the guitar, I will have it figured out.
EB
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Post by antares on Oct 23, 2020 16:08:27 GMT -6
Astonishing. Everything I do takes forever and I stop counting the cost fairly quickly ...
What sort of stain do you use that doesn't wear off onto the fingers Eddie? I have a fretboard on my bouzouki that would benefit from a darker tone but I've read about it wearing off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 11:01:57 GMT -6
Astonishing. Everything I do takes forever and I stop counting the cost fairly quickly ... What sort of stain do you use that doesn't wear off onto the fingers Eddie? I have a fretboard on my bouzouki that would benefit from a darker tone but I've read about it wearing off. e&oe ...When I stain a fret board, like maple or other woods like maple I put 3 to 4 coats of tung oil finish over it. I don't stain rose wood or ebony for the reason you mention. Stew Mac says they have a die that wont come off. But I have never used it.
I did do some experiments using printer ink. Not the king for the house printer. The kind that I use to use in my printing presses. I had some really good results form it. Acrylic ink drys as hard as a rock. And it only takes a drop or two of ink and it goes a long way. If you have a print shop by you, you might see if they can give you or sell you a little bit to experiment with. Just to see if it would work for your needs. Don't use oil base ink unless you plan on sealing it off. Oil base never drys.
I was a printing press op. since 1972. I retired form it 10 years ago.
I hope this helps. EB
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Post by antares on Oct 24, 2020 14:22:47 GMT -6
Wow! Cheers Eddie. It is a hardwood board but it's quite anaemic. I'll go with your advice and leave well alone. The bouzouki was batch ordered by an individual for resale over here, and he stipulated no bling, no fretboard dye and only top drawer timber. It was a steal at about $160 for a sensitively made all solid maple body and neck, and the Romanian factory (Hora) declined to make any more for him. Anyway thanks again Eddie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 15:08:24 GMT -6
Today I did get the body blanks glued up.
I also did a little redesign on the body. I made the Tele horn a little shorter. I think it looks so much better.
OK like before I sanded the sides that are going to be glued together.
Don't be afraid to use some glue. Again I put glue on both sides.
Here is the body blank all glued up, and everything I used to do it. The only thing I did not show was I used some wet paper towels to wipe off squeeze out. I will let it sit over night before removing the clamps.
The new clamps worked out pretty well. They are so easy to use. This is the first time I used clamps with the ratchet action on them. I like it! LOL! I may change my mind about the top. I really would like to do a carve top on this. The tops are not thick enough to let me do a good carve top. Still thinking on it. Long way to go before I make a decision on it.
EB
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Post by antares on Oct 24, 2020 15:52:47 GMT -6
That altered cutaway looks like a 335 Mickey Mouse now! It works really well within this context.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 16:38:19 GMT -6
That altered cutaway looks like a 335 Mickey Mouse now! It works really well within this context. e&oe ...My wife sure does like the change. I think it flows better. The other horn was to long for the over all look of the guitar.
I'll be making a full scale drawing of the neck tomorrow. I may do some changing on it as well. Nice thing about doing a drawing is you can change things until you like it.
A lot of times I have drawn what I want right on the neck blank and body. First time in long time I made a drawing of what I see. LOL!
EB
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