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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 15:46:51 GMT -6
While I try and get my son to get started on the leather eagle for my other build, I decided to start another guitar.
Going to make it all out of teak wood. So, here we go....
I found these 24"X24" panels at Low's hardware store. They are not cheap but not to expensive as well. They are spot on 1" thick and they solid strips of teak wood laminated together. have had these now sitting in my home for a while now. They should be good a stable to start working on.
I only cut 2 of the wood panels and am going to leave the third one for later on. There is now a top and back that will be glued together later on.
The wood on the right will become 2 fret boards, if things go well in cutting into two halves. LOL. The wood on the left will be the neck for this project.
Sim here I go again on yet another guitar build. I think it will look cool to be made out of Teak wood. Body and neck. I'll be braking some of the so call rules on making this guitar. Since I'll be using the wood the way the panels are glued up. But I am pretty sure things will work out good. I know people say it's always best to use 1/4 saw wood but you know what I have two necks in made when I first started that are flat sawn and they are still as good as the day I made them. So, I'll see how it goes...
Thinking of putting P90s in this one. Something a little different. But, as time goes on I may look at another pickup I have not tried. Trying to decide how Much I want to spend on pickups. That is what it comes down to. Also trying to decide if I want to go with 4 pots or 2. This one will get a LP 3 way switch in it.
As far as frets go, I just bought medium higher frets. So, I'll be using them for this build. The other thing I am wondering about is should I go black on the hardware or chrome/nickel?
One of the things I did notice on working with this wood, it seems oily or waxy feeling. Reminds me of working with rosewood and the way it felt working with it. But I have to say that this teak wood cuts a lot easier than rosewood.
Also on the the neck on this I will have to make a scarf joint to get a long enough peg head. I am only like 2 inches short for a head stock.
Well, today is our anniversary I best get going and pay attention the love of life! We only been married 48 years today.
EB
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Post by antares on Mar 25, 2021 3:05:39 GMT -6
Congratulations Eddie and Mrs. EagleBlues! We don't have an anniversary because we aren't hitched, but we've been going strong for 41 years so I guess we're doing something right!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 14:26:34 GMT -6
I feel like I worked really hard today. Nothing was working out right. So, when that happens it makes for a long and frustrating day. But I did push through and got a few things done on this build.
This is the start of my day. I selected the wood I am going to use for the fret board. I then had to resaw that wood so I can use it for a fret board. That is where things started going bad.
I could not for the life of me get my band saw to behave. I started out clamping on a fence to help cut the wood. But I did better by hand. Now this piece of wood started out at 1" thick. If I had a nice band saw I could have gotten 3 fret boards out of it. But, I am glad I went for two. This two pieces of wood at 1/2" thick.
I tried to use my plane joiner, and yep you guessed it. It did not want to behave as well. I think I have a bearing going out in it. It's making a lot of odd noises. So my fret board was going south on me in a fast way. How in the heck was I going to do to save this wood?...
So as I was trying hand sanding. I started thinking about a drum sander. Then it hit me I had some of them still from when I use to have one. So I used it in my drill press and I was able to find some square wood to use for a fence, clamped it on and went to work. It worked out great.
I started the scarf join for the neck. This is pretty much where I stopped for the day.
The block of wood on the left will become the peg head.
The 1/2" piece of wood for the fret board ended up at just over 3/16" So glad I went for two fret boards. LOL! I cut the scarf on the neck using the band saw. But I did it free hand. Seems to work out better free hand than trying to us a jig or anything else. I was hoping to have the scarf join done today. But it just didn't work out that way. So, tomorrow I am going to try and get that glued up. Then while that is drying I am got to start on the body. Going to try something that I have not done in a really long time. I will try it out before I revile what it is. LOL!
That's it for today Kids!
EB
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Post by antares on Mar 26, 2021 1:33:19 GMT -6
Great start Eddie. I reckon you need to rent Dane's monster band saw!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 13:53:49 GMT -6
Great start Eddie. I reckon you need to rent Dane's monster band saw! e&oe ...That's all he needs is me hanging around. LOL!
EB
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 14:09:05 GMT -6
Got the scarf join done today. Going to let it dry all night.
This is thing I was talking about trying again. Using the router to help true up the sides of the body. I figured that since it only an 1" thick maybe it would be OK. But no it was not OK. Once again I was almost done going around the body then Bam! It kick back. Only this time I let go of it, but not before I spring one of my fingers on my right hand. So guess I wont be trying this ever again. It brought to many memories back when I ran my left hand through the router and almost lost 2 of my fingers. So back to sanding for me. I will need to fix the tear out. But at least it's on the back half of the build.
So big lesson learned (again) Good thing I was watching and listing to the router. And also good I told myself to let go. Wood can be replaced, but not you hand or fingers. I even experimented with some test pieced of wood of the same wood. It all worked out fine.
So after that I went in the house and called a day. I may go in later on and cut the fret slots in the fret board. I don't know. I may just sit and do nothing. LOL!
EB
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Post by antares on Mar 26, 2021 17:23:25 GMT -6
Ouch! My thumbs-up is for your determination and resilience Eddie, not for the set back. I have a healthy respect for hand routers. I know you'll make something out of this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 17:30:43 GMT -6
Ouch! My thumbs-up is for your determination and resilience Eddie, not for the set back. I have a healthy respect for hand routers. I know you'll make something out of this. e&oe ...Thanks! Yep I don't give up on projects. The may kick at me once in a while. But it is rare that I give up on one. I can think of 2 that I ended up cutting them up because they just didn't work out the way I wanted them to. But this one will be a guitar one way or another.
EB
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Post by dnic on Mar 27, 2021 9:59:16 GMT -6
I just caught up on this thread.
Happy Anniversary To both couples. And Steve I'm sure you have a start date on your adventure. Johnnie and I are coming up on our 45th year together.
Eddie some band saws don't play nice with a fence. Marking a line and free handing may be the best bet even for "straight" cuts.
Teak is indeed a very oily wood. Probably why it is so popular for boat trim. It's one of those woods that should be wiped down with acetone before glue up.
Free handing on a router table is a very dangerous thing to do. But you had a lot of material past the cut line, that would likely blow out even with a template. I bought a spiral cutter a couple years ago and that has been a game changer.
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Post by dnic on Mar 27, 2021 10:03:54 GMT -6
I just caught up on this thread.
Happy Anniversary To both couples. And Steve I'm sure you have a start date on your adventure. Johnnie and I are coming up on our 45th year together.
Eddie some band saws don't play nice with a fence. Marking a line and free handing may be the best bet even for "straight" cuts.
Teak is indeed a very oily wood. Probably why it is so popular for boat trim. It's one of those woods that should be wiped down with acetone before glue up.
Free handing on a router table is a very dangerous thing to do. But you had a lot of material past the cut line, that would likely blow out even with a template. I bought a spiral cutter a couple years ago and that has been a game changer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 9:54:13 GMT -6
Looks like you are getting your point across twice. LOL!
The thing is on the router, it was in a spot were there was hardly anything for the router to take off. Well, for me it's back to sanding. I have been looking for one of them bits here in town, but I caqn find one. I may have to order it on line. The only ones I can find here is are ones for CNC and they are way to big for my routers.
Been using lacquer thinner to wipe off the wood. That is what I used when I did the Rose guitar. It was made from rosewood.
I took yesterday off from this and anything else. Spent the day with my brother and his wife. We had a good time.
Now it back to this project. I took off the clamps from the peg head glue up. Everything looks good that way. Today I will be working on the neck some more. I am thinking on how to make me a jig for the fret miter box. I have some plastic sheeting that I use in my picture frames that I make (side line) as glass to put over pictures. I am thinking of seeing if I can cut the right size notch in it for the miter box pin. So, some of my day will be spent on that. I'll let you all know if it works or not.
I would like to try and get the truss rod channel routed. But it is Sunday, so I may wait until Monday to do that. I'll have to see how many people are home today.
My one finger still hurts like heck, but life goes on... So, until later on... Happy trails to you, until we meet again! EB
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:56:30 GMT -6
Well alright. I did some sanding on the peg head and it all looks really good.
But I wanted to focus on the fret board and cutting the slots today.
Here is sheet of plastic I use for a lot of things. It is a cut off from a picture frame I made. It is just thick enough for me to make into a jig for cutting fret slots.
I used my fret template and a marker to mark out where I needed the slot of the the pin in the miter box.
That cut off wheel is the same exact size as the pin.
So once I had gotten the pin slot in the next step was to figure out where to place the fret board so that I could hit the right spots. But that was easy to figure out. I put the jig into the miter box and lined up one of my marks in the slot. I use two sided tape to hold thing into place. I did a test run to see if my fret marks are the same and the are.
So here it is. Working like a champ!
If you notice I have an old friend back. This is the saw and miter box I started out many years ago. I wound up sell it and the person that bought it said he would send me the saw back. When I got the package up there was the miter box too! WOW! I am really glad to have them back. This saw works so much better then the new one I have. I can't thank my friend enough for sending this back to me.
So that is it for today. It has gotten hot and muggy here in the last few days, and more rain on the way. But, I am going to try and get the truss rod in and the fret board on tomorrow. I am also going to add some wood to the heal of the neck blank. Just to make sure I have enough for carving things.
Once I get the neck going good. Then it will be back onto the body. It is a heavy body with both pieces together. So I am going to do some cambering. I also still want to experiment with making wood bindings. I would like to bindings on this guitar. I thought it would help brake things up some.
EB
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 14:03:10 GMT -6
Before I forget. I think I also found the problem on why the band saw was not cutting good. The dog gone blade was loos. Dummy me didn't think to check it out before using the other day. I mean when I got it I bought it new and I have used it a lot since new and I have not once check out the tension on the blade. So I tightened it up did some test and for now it looks like it back to cutting like it did when I first got it.
So, that was a big relief to me. I like this 9" band saw.
Well, I wanted to let you all know what I found out on it. So make sure to check out your band saw before using... Got it!!!
EB
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Post by dnic on Mar 28, 2021 15:09:50 GMT -6
I've considered making a slotting guide jig like that for the Gibson short scale. The one I don't have. But in the interim I bought a slotted fretboard from the Mac. Made a razor blade holding platform and flipped the slots down on the precut board. Was able to tape the two boards together and copy one to the other. Works well, just another set up process with my tiny slotting saw.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 17:43:51 GMT -6
I've considered making a slotting guide jig like that for the Gibson short scale. The one I don't have. But in the interim I bought a slotted fretboard from the Mac. Made a razor blade holding platform and flipped the slots down on the precut board. Was able to tape the two boards together and copy one to the other. Works well, just another set up process with my tiny slotting saw. Yep, That is what I am going to do with my other miter box that I made. It's a lot cheaper to buy a pre cut fret board and do that with the blade than to buy a template from Mac. But still may be a while for me, since I use 25" almost all the time. The only time I change is if a customer wants another scale.
This jig I made worked out really good. I am thinking of getting some ticker acrylic and making another one. I bet I could go ahead and make it like you said using the blade and a pre slotted fret board. Go ahead a cut or score the acrylic and then slot the side so I can then use it in the mater box. If I can do it right I could then flip it around and do another scale on the other side. That way I would always have a jig for it. Be me I would end up using the pre slotted fret board. LOL!
EB
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