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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 26, 2021 16:01:14 GMT -6
All - I wound up with this cool MiM Strat. The finish started breaking off on the back near the spring cavity, and I was shocked at how thick it was. The chips that came off were literally as thick as two manila folders held together. I got out my trusty heat gun and that finish was gone in about thirty minutes. The finish came off in a shape which can only be described as "Fruit Rollups". Time for a thin, nitro finish for this rig. Will it sound better? I don't know, but the plastic coffin that poor guitar body was in is gone! Check out the box of finish! John
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Post by dnic on Sept 26, 2021 20:41:09 GMT -6
That's really thick. But I guess you don't want sand thrus on the assembly line.
What's the color scheme going back on gonna be?
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Post by antares on Sept 27, 2021 2:45:25 GMT -6
John around 1980 I had my 1973 Sunburst Strat refinished in red because I was (temporarily) obsessed with Mark Knopfler. When I collected it I remarked on what a great paint finish it was. The guitar shop assistant said "Well it's more like a plastic skin really." and my heart sank. When I started to reassemble, it my "fears" were confirmed; it was T-H-I-C-K! Despite that, with the benefit of the decades masking what the eye didn't want to see, the ear starts to tell the truth and I have to say it plays and sounds just great.
Although I straight up admit that I'd spring for a nice thin finish whether nitro or poly or whatever every time, I kind of think we can file this nitro adulation thing in the same cabinet as the sounds attributable to the various timbers in solid body guitar construction and capacitor variants, although my limited experiences are not representative, just "speaking as I found".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 10:46:20 GMT -6
I know I have come across some thick finishes. I know a lot of people out there seem to call a thick finish as a "tone" robber. But in my short guitar life here on this planet, I don't find that a thick finish robs the guitar of anything. I may be wrong but like I said this is my experience. I feel like at times they put it on so thick is to make it look level. LOL!
I have seen super thick finishes on 70's guitars made here in the USA. I have also seen super thin finishes. it one of them "6 1/2 dozen one to another" kind of thing. I know people how think the color of the finish can effect the sound/tone of the guitar. HA! Better be careful of what color you finish it in.
EB
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 27, 2021 11:59:51 GMT -6
That's really thick. But I guess you don't want sand thrus on the assembly line. What's the color scheme going back on gonna be? I'm going back to jet black with a mint guard. Rosewood neck....and a thin finish. John
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Sept 27, 2021 12:02:11 GMT -6
John around 1980 I had my 1973 Sunburst Strat refinished in red because I was (temporarily) obsessed with Mark Knopfler. When I collected it I remarked on what a great paint finish it was. The guitar shop assistant said "Well it's more like a plastic skin really." and my heart sank. When I started to reassemble, it my "fears" were confirmed; it was T-H-I-C-K! Despite that, with the benefit of the decades masking what the eye didn't want to see, the ear starts to tell the truth and I have to say it plays and sounds just great. Although I straight up admit that I'd spring for a nice thin finish whether nitro or poly or whatever every time, I kind of think we can file this nitro adulation thing in the same cabinet as the sounds attributable to the various timbers in solid body guitar construction and capacitor variants, although my limited experiences are not representative, just "speaking as I found". e&oe ...Steve -- Totally agree. This was a really good sounding guitar, but I just wanted to refinish it. I was afraid the finish would continue to disintegrate and it seemed like a good winter project! I had an SG that a guy finished in poly back in the 70s. It was a great sounding and playing guitar! John
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Post by dnic on Sept 27, 2021 13:41:00 GMT -6
That's really thick. But I guess you don't want sand thrus on the assembly line. What's the color scheme going back on gonna be? I'm going back to jet black with a mint guard. Rosewood neck....and a thin finish. John Very nice!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 16:22:31 GMT -6
Black with a mint guard will look awesome! I love black Strats! My first Start I owned was a Clapton "Blackie" I wish I never let it go. It was my favorite Start. But the yellow one I built is pretty awesome as well. Good call on the colors. Hope you do a sound video of it once done. EB
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Post by antares on Sept 28, 2021 2:39:02 GMT -6
Of my five Strat like objects, my favourite colour is "warm white" with a tortie guard and a maple neck. One of the contractors at work back then (a good friend from Wales) offered to strip the hideous green daub that Fender had applied to the Mex body, and the guys in the paint shop then applied a thin coat of that warm white aircraft galley paint. I don't know what it is (I could still find out although I know it was a two-pack) but it covers nicely without being trowelled on and as an industrial finish it's fairly robust. I really like the warm white/tortie/maple thing. The onliest one I've ever seen in that combination was being worn by Buddy Guy. The warm white is a little like instant thirty years ageing!
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Post by dnic on Sept 28, 2021 7:18:55 GMT -6
Steve, that warm white with the tort PG sounds like a great color combo. And I love maple necks but I don't like refretting them.
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Post by antares on Sept 28, 2021 9:58:04 GMT -6
Fender do that colour combo with a "rosewood" neck, but not apparently in combination with a maple, so I reckon Buddy's must have been a bitza like mine?
John it's great that the finish came away so readily. I suspect mine might too, but I screened the guitar with that Crellon Industries' Electrodag 915 high silver content screening paint, and it's so good that I'm somewhat reluctant to lose it, so red it remains.
Last time I exercised my Google-fu, I couldn't find anything whatsoever about that screening paint. I think it was sold as a PCB track repair product, hence its high silver content. It had a flash point of something ridiculous like 15 Celcius, and although I sealed the bottle with insulating tape, next time I went to use it, it was all gone!
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Post by antares on Sept 28, 2021 10:02:24 GMT -6
I don't relish ANY fret work Dane. Apart from the odd tweak here and there and one epic stoneing marathon which resulted in a "fretless wonder", I've steered clear of fret jobs.
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Oct 5, 2021 14:30:41 GMT -6
Well - the big challenge with this one is that the body is about a 50-piece monstrosity. While a solid color is great, the relic job will likely be compromised by the multi-lam body. It won't be a nice-looking body appearing through the breaks in the paint.
I talked with my wife, and we may turn this into another Hendrix/Monterey Strat. She painted the last one years ago, and appears to be ready to reprise her role.
I need some Fiesta Red paint...
More to follow, John
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Post by GuitarAttack Forum on Feb 15, 2024 12:49:30 GMT -6
Here is the final product with a piece of the old finish displayed. John
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Post by dnic on Feb 21, 2024 21:02:00 GMT -6
Looks great! I just skimmed back through the thread. I didn't see anything about relicing but I think it looks very real.
Does it sound any better with the thin nitro?
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