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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 16:17:22 GMT -6
OK... I am going to try and build one more guitar. I have always wanted a white LP. So I can't afford one, so I thought I would try and build one. I don't know how far I'll get with this build or how long it will take. But I will try and do this. I have thought long and hard on, if I wanted this build to be a set neck, or neck through. I decided to go with neck through. Some time ago I built a LP stile neck through for a customer of mine. I really like it a lot. It's call the "Rose". So I dug out some wood to see what this build will be made out of. So here is the run down. Cherry, maple and a little mahogany for the neck through part. The wings at the moment will more than likely be maple. I will be doing a chambered body on this. I need it to be as lite as possible. I am going to try and do a step by step post. We have been talking a lot about, on anther thread about one piece guitar builds. I am hopping that maybe this will help someone to do so. I feel a neck through is close enough to a one piece. At least there will be some things that you will have to know on what to do or not do. Here are some pictures of the wood pile. the cherry wood is a big hunk of wood. I will be ripping it down to size. As well as the maple. the mahogany will be use as small stripes between the maple and cherry. I hope this build will go as planed. But if I have any mishaps I'll post them. I really want to use this a teaching tool. This may be my last build for some time. Who knows what the future hold foe me. Once this build starts I hope some will have questions on it. Do not be afraid to ask me questions. I'll do my best to respond with the info you need. Again this may take some time. Only because of the way my health has been. So please keep checking back form time time to time to see how things are going. EB
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Post by dnic on Jul 2, 2014 17:55:20 GMT -6
If you glue it all together in a big rectangle then it would still be like building a one piece guitar. At least from the wood working point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 18:50:01 GMT -6
I did think of that. But I think I'm going to stick to the neck through. It well be easier for me to handle. If I glues it up all up as a one piece the thing would be really heave to start on. I have to take things as to where it won't hurt my old bod! HA!
EB
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 14:21:49 GMT -6
OK so it starts.... This is the cherry wood I'll be using. When making a neck through you need it to be 41 to 42 inches long so I will start there. Here is the cherry cut to length and is now 4" wide 2" thick. I will stand the board on edge to get the 1/4 sawed. this board will be cut into 3 pieces. Here is the ruff cut maple. I have had this wood for sometime now. This is the way I got it. Sometimes you can pick up wood a little cheaper if you buy it this way. Here is the maple cut thin. This will be used in the neck in between the cherry. I used my thickness planer to get all the wood to thickness. Once I got the to thickness. I used my drum/thickness sander to get the wood as flat as possible. Here is what all the wood looks like before glues up. Here is another angle. Being glued up. don't know if you and see it... But I wanted to show how much wood is taken off on a project like this. And this is just the start. Yeah, I made a mess. But it was a fun mess to make. Be sure to clean up before you do a glue up. Makes things better for you. Also on gluing. I use glue on two sides. I have found, for me if I glue on one side only, I miss spots and then I have to fix or fill in where the glue did fill in. Use as many clamps as you can. I used every clamp I own on this one. Most of the time I like to let my new neck blanks set fro 6 month to a year before I use them. But on this build I'm only going to let dry for a few days. The reason I like to let them dry for so long, for one it give the wood time to dry out from being wet from the glue. Two If its going to do something like twist or bow, it will more than likely do in a log drying time. I So far out the 10 to 11 years of building guitar I have only had 2 necks twist and bow on me. this neck blank is 4" tall. So I really don't expect it to do anything bad. At least I hope it won't. Being here in AZ the day time should be a little faster. But the two necks that I had go bad on me were here. Maybe they dried too fast. I really don't know why they went bad, they just did. The pit falls of building guitars. So after the glues drys. I will then began to mark out the plan for the neck itself. I'm thinking of laying the neck angle back a little. I like angled necks. the way I play guitars is off to my side. So an angled neck work better for me. Plus I have not angled any of my neck through guitars as of yet. I have never had a piece of wood tall or thick enough to do it. This is one reason I did the neck blank 4" tall. That should give me just enough to do what I want to do. I don't think I'll angle it back as far as a real LP. But it will be close. EB
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Post by brianloco on Jul 4, 2014 17:44:48 GMT -6
Nice looking forward to watching this build and hopefully learn something from it
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Post by dnic on Jul 4, 2014 22:08:51 GMT -6
Fun, fun, fun
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 16:41:31 GMT -6
OK took the blank out of the clamps and squared it all up. I used my joiner planer to help clean it up and square it up. I did clean up the glues before I used the planer. An overall look. Here I have drawn out the planes on how or where to cut the neck. I won't start this until later on. At this time, I am going to cut for the body to be around 3" thick. I really would like to do a carved top on it. This is a template I used to figure out the neck angle. Looks like I will have enough wood to make a full LP angle. My neck blank ended up being 3 3/8" tall. I started out at 4" The fret board side of the neck is 2 3/4" wide. more than enough for the fret board. Wound up with it right at 42 I inches long that is down from 43. I like to allow enough to cut back after gluing. Wood always seems to shift a little once the clamps go on. this thing is heavy at the moment. But it will loos some by the time it's all said and done. Still a long way to go. Before I forget. there are a few ways to make the peg head angle. I have chosen to cut it out of the neck blank as one piece. You can also scarf it. Scarfing it lets you change the woods to make up a whole different look. In doing the scarf, you can scarf it in to the neck or you can scarf it into the peg head. I have done all these and I really don't see the argument with any of them. They all work well. It really depends on what you like and what kind of look you are going for, to me. I really wanted to keep the stripes in the peg head. So that is one reason I decided not to do a scarf on the build. Ok until next time... EB
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Post by Deus Machina on Jul 5, 2014 20:29:59 GMT -6
Wouldn't it be easier and probably stronger to use the edge of the blank as the top line of the neck, instead of needing to make a long cut so straight? I always figure that negating as many long cuts as possible is best.
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Post by dnic on Jul 6, 2014 8:40:29 GMT -6
I think Deusmachina makes a valid point Eddie. Running the length of the neck on an angle to the grain my make it more flexible. Where running the body at an angle wouldn't matter cause it will be reinforced with the straight grained body wings. Also having extra wood above the body may give you more to carve.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 9:11:43 GMT -6
yes I have thought of that. Don't really know if it would be easier. I have seen and have done them both ways. I may change my mind. Nothing is cut as of yet.
My last neck through I did it pretty much like this. I have had no problems with that guitar. No mater witch way I go my maple I am wanting to use is not going to be thick enough to do the carve top. So I may not make the neck angle. I may go ahead and do the fender thing. I may recess an LP bridge in to the body. But doing the neck the way I have it drawn out, I could put two reinforcing stripes along side of the two way truss rod. I know there are a lot of guitar Co. out there that do that. I have a neck I made that way as well.
There are so many ways to do a neck. So what would you do if you only had a 2" piece of wood to cut a one piece guitar? Guess you would be stuck with a straight guitar with no angle. Hum...
Well, I won't be back on this for a few days anyway... So I'll do some thinking.
EB
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Post by Deus Machina on Jul 6, 2014 10:23:44 GMT -6
Hmm. You could still do a neck angle. I like an angled neck, personally, in my limited experience with them. Just cut the angle at the heel, instead of along the length of the neck. Less length you'd need to do it at, and it's thicker there so cutting across the grain wouldn't affect the strength so much.
Unless the grain is going to be clearly visible and it's an important cosmetic consideration.
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Post by dnic on Jul 6, 2014 13:32:22 GMT -6
Ok, you're adding Maple on top no problem. My bad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 17:00:31 GMT -6
The neck blank is 3 pieces of cherry with two strips of maple. I am thinking of putt a ebony fret board on top of the neck. It will also have a two way truss rod. I think the neck will be strong enough to handle the cut drawn out.
But now you got me thinking of slanting the wings at the neck through point. So What I am going to do this week coming up is. I'm going to first cut the wings out.
But I have an other idea for the body. I was wanting to do a carved top. I do have an option or two I am looking at.
One is I can cut the maple blanks in half and glue in an other piece so I can do the carved top. Or I can do something else to give this build a whole other look. I have a picture of a LP done in a way I think is really cool! I may just go with it. But then It won't be all white. But cool non the less.
So by the end of the week I'll know what or were I am going with this. I think both ways will work fine. It's not like I'm going to use the guitar to lift my car or stand on it.
But then again what do I know? All I have ever done with wood is build guitars. Well I did build a toy box and small wooded box. But that's all I know when it comes to wood. Hum... Do you think it will change the tone of the wood to cut it one way way or the other? HA! Just messing with you!
EB
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 14:50:10 GMT -6
I just had something come up ( family stuff) This build is now on hold until when ever. So as far as I am concerned this Build is at a stand still. Sorry. If you want to delete this post you can.
Sorry.... But that's life!
EB
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Post by dnic on Jul 7, 2014 17:15:22 GMT -6
Something's up ay, well we are a patient bunch.
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